Reply to: Renewal regret

[LondonManc]

It's a contract... not his entire life..... Sometimes you have to suck it up and see things through as well. Can't be taking the pussy route everytime.

Pussy you say?

[BrilloPad]

It's a contract... not his entire life..... Sometimes you have to suck it up and see things through as well. Can't be taking the pussy route everytime.

+1.

[MrMarkyMark]

I guess I've been doing it wrong for 12 years then with enough in reserves and other business interests to allow me to not invoice for another three years. Sometimes it is more than about just money; and if the OP considers themselves a professional then you additionally have an obligation for your reputation and/or sanity as to whether or not you are adding true value for what you invoice.

The thing is I actually agreed with you personally, there's the rub.

More than 12 years, for me, I'm in a similar situation and never work away now, however the reserves etc. have been built up, by doing so in the past.
I could go longer than 3 years, if I chose, no worries.

[kookachoo]

Wouldn't still be up and running, if I had listened to this sort of cr@p. The point is you negotiate a deal to make it worth doing.
Lets see if you are still doing this, after the recession

I guess I've been doing it wrong for 12 years then with enough in reserves and other business interests to allow me to not invoice for another three years. Sometimes it is more than about just money; and if the OP considers themselves a professional then you additionally have an obligation for your reputation and/or sanity as to whether or not you are adding true value for what you invoice.

[kookachoo]

Eer no they don't! Slave labour was outlawed a while ago! They buy a professional working day from you that is all. I would say that its tough out there and so think carefully before leaving unless you have somewhere to go to.

It was a figure of speech: so your time sat in a hotel someplace away from home mightn't be considered your time if you hate being at home!

[MrMarkyMark]

I'm gonna give you some different advice. It depends what field you're in of course. Are you staying away from home? This means they buy your entire time. I'm in a similar boat. Life is too short to be unhappy. If you have the funds to support yourself for an amount of time without working that is comfortable to you, then there is no harm in leaving.

Wouldn't still be up and running, if I had listened to this sort of cr@p. The point is you negotiate a deal to make it worth doing.
Lets see if you are still doing this, after the recession

[SlipTheJab]

I'm gonna give you some different advice. It depends what field you're in of course. Are you staying away from home? This means they buy your entire time. I'm in a similar boat. Life is too short to be unhappy. If you have the funds to support yourself for an amount of time without working that is comfortable to you, then there is no harm in leaving.

Eer no they don't! Slave labour was outlawed a while ago! They buy a professional working day from you that is all. I would say that its tough out there and so think carefully before leaving unless you have somewhere to go to.

[northernladuk]

I'm gonna give you some different advice. It depends what field you're in of course. Are you staying away from home? This means they buy your entire time. I'm in a similar boat. Life is too short to be unhappy. If you have the funds to support yourself for an amount of time without working that is comfortable to you, then there is no harm in leaving.

It's a contract... not his entire life..... Sometimes you have to suck it up and see things through as well. Can't be taking the pussy route everytime.

[kookachoo]

I genuinely hate it, it feels more junior, and the relationship with the client seems to have changed for the worse - not sure what happened - whether contractor person was making good progress and exposing weaknesses which has caused friction, etc etc etc, but like I said I did get a rate rise..I suppose I should suck it up, as others have mentioned - it could be a lot worse

I'm gonna give you some different advice. It depends what field you're in of course. Are you staying away from home? This means they buy your entire time. I'm in a similar boat. Life is too short to be unhappy. If you have the funds to support yourself for an amount of time without working that is comfortable to you, then there is no harm in leaving.

[DallasDad]

Patsy = Scapegoat

[Les67]

Maybe but he got a rate rise so that does not add up.
Personally I would put all this angst behind you Les and strive to fix what you perceive is the problem with the project irrespective of the position in the team that you think you now have.

Only thing to watch out for is are you being setup as a patsy?
Also as suggested do check what your contract says and X ref it to what you are being asked to do, it could bugger up your IR35 status.

Wise words, thanks Dad - one question - what's a Patsy? Thanks again

[DallasDad]

Or, in translation - I hope this doesn't sound too harsh - you were a manager, they found you out, now you're not ?

I'd leave before they sack you...

BGoo

Maybe but he got a rate rise so that does not add up.
Personally I would put all this angst behind you Les and strive to fix what you perceive is the problem with the project irrespective of the position in the team that you think you now have.

Only thing to watch out for is are you being setup as a patsy?
Also as suggested do check what your contract says and X ref it to what you are being asked to do, it could bugger up your IR35 status.

[Boo]

tbh, I was in a managerial type role and making a big difference in moving a bad project forward, now the original managers seem to have taken back the helm (I think there has been some internal kickings) and I've now become 'hands on' which means I've become part of the problem rather than part of the solution and it is all turning back to how it was before I started and I can't make a difference anymore (woe is me) I did get a good rate rise with the renewal and I do hear what you are all sayin' - think I needed putting back in my box in hindsight!

Or, in translation - I hope this doesn't sound too harsh - you were a manager, they found you out, now you're not ?

I'd leave before they sack you...

BGoo

[Willapp]

Assuming that you're operating outside of IR35, my main concern would be how what you're doing differs from the statement of work on your contract extension.

This was going to be my question. If your original contract was for the managerial role and the paperwork reflected that, then I don't see how they can change your role without changing the contract - you may have grounds to push back because of this.

However, if the original contract was for a hands-on role and you just ended up doing the managerial work then not only is that a red flag for IR35, it also gives you little or no room for complaint if your role has now become what it was always meant to be.

One bit of advice that is often forgotten though is just to try talking to the client and - if you have a good relationship with them - the agent. It's possible that things could be done to improve your situation especially if you can sell them as being beneficial to the client/project. Clients rarely want to lose good people and if you've been offered an extension then they must want to keep you around so there can often be some flexibility if you are willing to make it work.

[SueEllen]

Seriously I have got to MAN UP. Thanks for listening chaps

If you have something to enjoy at least every month then you won't worry about them.