Reply to: Overtime

[jjdarg]

I generally charge the normal day rate, but then my type of work only requires occasional weekend working.

OT - On one programme, where I, the programme director, and a project manager worked through the weekend to deliver some unplanned documentation to the end end client, and hence saved our client's ability to exist as a trading entity, the programme director was challenged as to why he was billing for weekends 'because that's what's expected of senior managers'. Luckily my invoices didn't have to go through the same **** for approvals.

[Jack Kada]

My experience with banks has been that on call and weekend work is generally expected and I personally dont ask for more cash. On the other hand if I come into the office a little late or leave a little early then that is generally accepted as well

[Eirikur]

In one of my previous gigs I negotiated 150% for weekend and after 8PM. Was no problem at all

[d000hg]

Don't go down the 'overtime' route. Agree equivalent time off in the week for when working weekends.

You don't want to use the term "overtime" but you want to negotiate extra "time off in lieu"?! That's far worse in terms of permie speak.

[slice16]

It really depends on what you agree from the outset and have in your contract.

I had a very interesting contract with a Service Provider where I had set a 'typical day' that say they would pay my day rate between the hours of 8AM and 8PM (with a working day classed as 7.5 hours). Anything outside of that was classed as out of scope and was at twice the day rate (divided into hours as and when needed).

If the work was out of scope, they needed to engage me in a 'pre-sales' activity which recieved a Statement of Work etc, which lead to some other pricing discussions based on the tasks. It worked nicely.

[jmo21]

why does it matter what anyone else gets paid?

The responses on here make me laugh sometimes (as do some of the queries of course!)

He wants to make sure he's:
1) not asking for something out of the ordinary
2) not missing a trick by trying to get too little

[psychocandy]

I am fine with working extra hours if it is acknowledged and repaid with knocking off early or being paid for it.

Some clients just try and squeeze a few hours a day out of you (like the guy who posted on here recently) which I won't entertain as in my experience an equal amount of work could be done in a standard day with a bit or organisation on their part.

Yep I had one client who quite happy for me to stay until 9/10pm when things hit the fan but moaned then a few weeks later when I said I'd be in at 10am because of a dentist appointment.

[SussexSeagull]

I am fine with working extra hours if it is acknowledged and repaid with knocking off early or being paid for it.

Some clients just try and squeeze a few hours a day out of you (like the guy who posted on here recently) which I won't entertain as in my experience an equal amount of work could be done in a standard day with a bit or organisation on their part.

[BolshieBastard]

I went contracting so as never to have to work 'overtime' like an employee does ever again.

[FarmerPalmer]

My company doesn't have hours in a contract. It has a fixed hourly rate that it charges for services. Overtime is not a term used in my business model.

[dmini]

Depends on the place. Where I am now, its the same as the normal hourly rate (well day rate/8), which also covers weekdays if pre-agreed. Had one contract where we negotiated 1.5 for weekday - but that was when supporting critical systems that were breaking at 2am!

[SueEllen]

Don't go down the 'overtime' route. Agree equivalent time off in the week for when working weekends.

If you agree to provide your services Monday to Friday for rate x.

If the client decides they may want you to provide services in addition on Saturday, Sunday and bank holidays if your company, by it's custom and practice, decides they aren't standard working days you can negotiate a premium of rate y to provide services at those times.

It's not an indication for IR35 if it's not called "overtime" and the entire contract is written in the right way.

[Zero Liability]

QDOS advised me that having a different rate for overtime was a pointer to IR35.

I've heard this, however isn't a way of getting around this to simply negotiate different rates with the client from what permies get? Personally, with my current client I get the same day rate (or half if half a day) for any over-production, whereas permies would get 1.5x or 2x per hour worked overtime. It doesn't bother me hugely, since I choose whether to take it up or not.

[kaiser78]

It depends if you call it "overtime".

Overtime is what permies have.

We charge extra for working on weekends.

Don't go down the 'overtime' route. Agree equivalent time off in the week for when working weekends.

[SueEllen]

QDOS advised me that having a different rate for overtime was a pointer to IR35.

It depends if you call it "overtime".

Overtime is what permies have.

We charge extra for working on weekends.