Reply to: Brexit: Full UK-EU trade deal 'impossible' by deadline - von der Leyen

[WTFH]

But you said everything would be the same after we left, so nothing changed.

Am very confused.

Nothing has changed, apart from the Tory negotiating team have done a very poor job negotiating a withdrawal agreement, so we're already starting on the back foot.
The first one was poor, the second one was similar, then the current PM came along and managed to get a worse deal.

Don't forget that it's everyone else's fault apart from those behind the idea and those in charge of the country.

[tomtomagain]

But you said everything would be the same after we left, so nothing changed.

Am very confused.

Plus c'est change, plus c'est la meme chose.

Come on Scooter, get with the programme. Even the Frenchies have worked it out.

[Zigenare]

The sausage?

He's hidden that.

[BR14]

Glad it's sinking in. How many years did that take? Too many.

it hasn't changed my opinion of the country in any way, strangely enough.
nothing you post could, really.

[scooterscot]

No. Because the UK has left the EU. So it's not the same.

Practically it just looks the same for the next 11 months.

Clear now?

But you said everything would be the same after we left, so nothing changed.

Am very confused.

[scooterscot]

'cos you keep on telling us.
at length.
ad nauseam.

hth

Glad it's sinking in. How many years did that take? Too many.

[darmstadt]

Not quite, still a couple of weeks to go before Farage's party in London

No. Because the UK has left the EU. So it's not the same.

Practically it just looks the same for the next 11 months.

Clear now?

Sent from my Boris

[tomtomagain]

So you're not leaving then....

Gwd people, make up your minds. If everything is the same from one day to the next, nothing changes, then nothing has changed and we're remaining as before then it's the same, isn't it?

No. Because the UK has left the EU. So it's not the same.

Practically it just looks the same for the next 11 months.

Clear now?

[BR14]

How do you know it's glorious?

'cos you keep on telling us.
at length.
ad nauseam.

hth

[scooterscot]

Yes, in January the UK leaves the European Union and enters the "transition".

The transition means everything practically remains the same. i.e. still in the single market, still in the custom union, still have freedom of movement.

So you're not leaving then....

Gwd people, make up your minds. If everything is the same from one day to the next, nothing changes, then nothing has changed and we're remaining as before then it's the same, isn't it?

[scooterscot]

why do you think he's living in the glorious fatherland ?

How do you know it's glorious?

[tomtomagain]

You might want to have a look at May's first attempt at a deal and that of Johnson's deal and see how many differences you can spot. They are pretty much one and the same and it's a deal that Johnson voted against....

Indeed. It's essentially the same deal.

The "deal" is only the arrangement to leave and not the future trading relationship. It's a deal that allows the UK to leave in an orderly way and commence negotiating the FTR.

The deal is : UK leaves, everything continues for as-is for about year ( with options to extend by a further 2 ) and in return the UK pays some money.

So why all the drama? Well the ERG and Tory right were convinced that May would then negotiate a very, very soft FTR. Remaining in the customs union/single market etc. And they did not want that.

Borris is not going down that route. And if he changes his mind and decides to? Well, there's F*all the ERG can do about it.


But the biggest take-away from this whole episode is the complete and utter shambles that Labour, the DUP, the SNP & Lib Dems made of the whole situation. They all catastrophically misjudged it. The Tories were on the ropes, completely split, there for the taking.

If the Lib/SNP/Lab/DUP had pushed May over the line, the Tories would have been finished, they could then have implemented a very-very-soft BREXIT. The Tories would have been eviscerated.

Instead they tried to play clever and in doing so broke their manifesto commitments to "Respect the result of the referendum" and the result?

The Liberals can all fit into one min-van, Labour are facing an existential crisis ( one that Ms Wrong-Daily won't be able to get them out of ) and the SNP and DUP have been relegated to the role of spectators, whining from the side-lines.

I heard a Labour politician going on about how it was right that they had "taken no-deal off the table" ..... complete rubbish. They have not taken "No-deal" off the table. In fact, it's very much still on the table. They achieved nothing except their own electoral defeat.

[BR14]

The sausage?

no, that's his wurst nightmare

[darmstadt]

Yeah yeah they also said there would be no WA renegotiation with Boris!

And as we know, he secured a deal completely different and totally renegotiated from May's

The EU will cave in due course... December 2020 I think

You might want to have a look at May's first attempt at a deal and that of Johnson's deal and see how many differences you can spot. They are pretty much one and the same and it's a deal that Johnson voted against....

[tomtomagain]

why do you think he's living in the glorious fatherland ?

The sausage?