Reply to: That chlorinated chicken stuff

[LadyPenelope]

What didn't you know? when was the last time you drove past an abattoir?

I did not know that stress on animals affected their hormones. Person eat chicken. Hormones affect person. That's why I highlighted the relevant bit. Quite straightforward, really.

[Zigenare]

Didn't know that. An interesting point, thanks.

What didn't you know? when was the last time you drove past an abattoir?

[LadyPenelope]

it’s known that stress on animals before they are slaughtered produces a hormonal reaction.

Didn't know that. An interesting point, thanks.

[sal]

My grandfather smoked for 60 years and lived until he was 91. Smoking cannot be that bad.

Salmonella ain't that bad either, out of 1.2m cases in the US "only" 450 are deadly. That's less than the homicides in Chicago alone.

[Old Greg]

Went to Chick Fil A in America earlier this year - and I am still standing so it cannot be that bad.

My grandfather smoked for 60 years and lived until he was 91. Smoking cannot be that bad.

[Platypus]

You just need to look at the figures to realise the difference between the EU and US. About 100k cases per year in the EU vs. 1.2m in the US.

The first sensible and believable thing I've heard in the "debate"

[sasguru]

Seriously?

Yes you're seriously thick.

[b0redom]

@oldGreg I think the chlorination is to stop the food poisoning which would otherwise occur due to the standards of hygiene/welfare earlier in the pipeline.

@meridian - points 3+4 are probably most concerning (to me at least)

@originalPM

[original PM]

Comments like this is why we know you're stupid.
Try and work out why this is a thick statement.
It's not that hard.

Seriously?

[sasguru]

Went to Chick Fil A in America earlier this year - and I am still standing so it cannot be that bad.

Comments like this is why we know you're stupid.
Try and work out why this is a thick statement.
It's not that hard.

[original PM]

Went to Chick Fil A in America earlier this year - and I am still standing so it cannot be that bad.

[sal]

As I understand it, there's no health problem with chlorinated washing of chicken. The problem is the reason it's needed is the conditions further down the line, so more to do with animal welfare and preparation procedures.

It's not just that. Food unwrapped on Channel 4 did a story on this.

The big problem is that the Salmonella bacteria is very resilient and chlorine washing doesn't kill 100% and you don't need much to get sick. What remains goes into "shut down" mode still alive, but very hard to detect by industry standard tests. So the still contaminated chicken passes inspections for Salmonella.

You just need to look at the figures to realise the difference between the EU and US. About 100k cases per year in the EU vs. 1.2m in the US.

[sasguru]

As I understand it, there's no health problem with chlorinated washing of chicken. The problem is the reason it's needed is the conditions further down the line, so more to do with animal welfare and preparation procedures.

Yes you're probably right. Don't know why people are banging on about chlorinated chicken. It's the hormone injected beef that the US routinely produces that I would particularly like to avoid.
Still, obese, alcoholic gammon probably have other health issues to worry about.

[meridian]

As I understand it, there's no health problem with chlorinated washing of chicken. The problem is the reason it's needed is the conditions further down the line, so more to do with animal welfare and preparation procedures.

If you want to, you could break that down:
- is there a problem or potential risk or long term effect with the ppm volume of chlorine solution that is left behind on the product?
- is there a problem with the protein itself in that it needs a chlorine wash? (You could probably provide relative stats on food poisoning)
- is there a problem with the conditions of slaughter? Do we want chicken pies knowing that the meat sat in a pile of sh1t before it was washed and sold to us?
- is there a problem with the animal welfare? Not just from a namby pamby have-they-had-a-good-life before we eat them perspective, but it’s known that stress on animals before they are slaughtered produces a hormonal reaction.

[Old Greg]

As I understand it, there's no health problem with chlorinated washing of chicken. The problem is the reason it's needed is the conditions further down the line, so more to do with animal welfare and preparation procedures.

If poor people choose to get food poisoning, Rees Mogg will find it rather uplifting.