Reply to: Boris's cunning plan.

[sasguru]

Don't let us stop you from heading out to Switzerland now, if it's all too much for you.

I doubt they'd look too deeply into his Maths degree from Exeter.

[Old Greg]

That should spare us your tedious ramblings.

Don't let us stop you from heading out to Switzerland now, if it's all too much for you.

[BrilloPad]

People with “pre-conditions” will be moved to Dignitas

That should spare us your tedious ramblings.

[AtW]

I've thought long and hard and that is the only positive I can see with Brexit.

People with “pre-conditions” will be moved to Dignitas

[BR14]

People will be slowly weened of the NHS

and in English?

I've thought long and hard and that is the only positive I can see with Brexit.

bolloks! you're not capable of thinking for more than a nanosecond.

[Zigenare]

If only it aged in the bottle, you'd have a cast iron business plan there

Distil it and age it in the customs queues.

Or don't bottle it until the deals have been made. Then sell tuliploads of the stuff to celebrate the UK's new found freedom and prosperity!

[sasguru]

People will be slowly weened of the NHS ...

I've thought long and hard and that is the only positive I can see with Brexit.

[sal]

Well that's the conundrum that has got parliament so twisted up. Some want a hard brexit where WTO rules apply until a trade deal is in place, others want some form of soft-brexit transition period so current EU rules apply, and others want to remain with no brexit.

As it is, the state of trade is yet to be decided dependent on what form of brexit is agreed. On one hand there is scope to keep the existing EU trade rules and tariffs (not like UK stuff will suddenly no longer meet EU regulations, so keep trading as is until a new agreement is finalised), and on the other there is the potential to do a quick deal with the USA to avoid the potential USA/EU trade war which would improve the situation relating to scotch whisky.

The USA have already said they would break the trade deal into parts so the easier to establish parts can be put in place sooner than waiting for the whole deal to be finalised. Nowt easier than saying the whisky is tariff free if the jocks buy enough deep fried chlorinated chicken, which they will do.

If anyone truly believes any trade deal with the USA under Trump will benefit the UK i any way, really needs an urgent trip to the doctor...

Trump was happy to wreck decades of cooperation with his closest neighbours - Mexico and Canda by tearing up NAFTA. Then started a pissing contest with freaking China. Why on earth would he give the UK any better treatment?

Forget lower standard food like chlorinated chicken and hormone laden beef. That will be the tip of the iceberg, the distraction. The real "deal" will be financial de-regulations and dead to the NHS. It won't be straight off privatisation - this isn't ever going to fly, but it will be slow degradation fuelled by a combination of lack of skilled labour, low wages and overpriced drugs supplied by our US overlords.

People will be slowly weened of the NHS through reasonably priced private medical insurance offering much better service (already happening for higher earners). Until there are enough people questioning why the hell do they keep paying for the NHS if they mainly end up using the private medical.

[TestMangler]

Well that's the conundrum that has got parliament so twisted up. Some want a hard brexit where WTO rules apply until a trade deal is in place, others want some form of soft-brexit transition period so current EU rules apply, and others want to remain with no brexit.

As it is, the state of trade is yet to be decided dependent on what form of brexit is agreed. On one hand there is scope to keep the existing EU trade rules and tariffs (not like UK stuff will suddenly no longer meet EU regulations, so keep trading as is until a new agreement is finalised), and on the other there is the potential to do a quick deal with the USA to avoid the potential USA/EU trade war which would improve the situation relating to scotch whisky.

The USA have already said they would break the trade deal into parts so the easier to establish parts can be put in place sooner than waiting for the whole deal to be finalised. Nowt easier than saying the whisky is tariff free if the jocks buy enough deep fried chlorinated chicken, which they will do.

So, in answer to my question......no advantages.

[Hobosapien]

Given that Scotland can already export whisky to 70% of the world via current EU trade deals, what do you consider to be the that advantage of leaving that for trade deals that don't exist and won't for at least a couple of years ?

Well that's the conundrum that has got parliament so twisted up. Some want a hard brexit where WTO rules apply until a trade deal is in place, others want some form of soft-brexit transition period so current EU rules apply, and others want to remain with no brexit.

As it is, the state of trade is yet to be decided dependent on what form of brexit is agreed. On one hand there is scope to keep the existing EU trade rules and tariffs (not like UK stuff will suddenly no longer meet EU regulations, so keep trading as is until a new agreement is finalised), and on the other there is the potential to do a quick deal with the USA to avoid the potential USA/EU trade war which would improve the situation relating to scotch whisky.

The USA have already said they would break the trade deal into parts so the easier to establish parts can be put in place sooner than waiting for the whole deal to be finalised. Nowt easier than saying the whisky is tariff free if the jocks buy enough deep fried chlorinated chicken, which they will do.

[sal]

I believe it would be a surprise a GE at this point not ending in an even more divided HoC.

It will be just as divided, but there will be a new "mandate" and majority for either hard Brexit by Con/Brexit or 2nd referendum which is looking to be in the manifesto of everyone else. ATM there is no "outspoken" majority for either, just a bunch of MPs torn between party lines and their conscious/constituency.

If it's the former - it's done and dusted.

If it's the latter - Hopefully this time the question will be better defined and the referendum actually legally binding (if possible under current law). Then it will be the new will of the people and parliament won't have much wriggle room.

Any sane person knows that the results of the first referendum were bogus - rampant misinformation and blatant lies and massive "anti-establishment/protest" vote that wasn't exactly pro-Brexit as anti-Westminster. Nowadays after 3+ years of heated debates on TV in Parliament and in the pubs throughout the land, most people have much more focused/clear opinion on the matter.

[TestMangler]

The Whisky will age nicely?

If only it aged in the bottle, you'd have a cast iron business plan there

Distil it and age it in the customs queues.

[Zigenare]

Given that Scotland can already export whisky to 70% of the world via current EU trade deals, what do you consider to be the that advantage of leaving that for trade deals that don't exist and won't for at least a couple of years ?

The Whisky will age nicely?

[CryingSheep]

5. Scotland will stay with GB (and the UK while it exists until NI decide in a referendum on UK over unified Ireland) if the break from the EU is clean so trade deals with the USA (whisky sales are a massive export for the jocks) and others can start being negotiated this year.

6. Boris will win big on voter confidence if he delivers brexit in October. Only the remoaners will want to back Corbyn if he follows through with a second referendum 'promise'. Most voters just want brexit resolved so planning for the future is easier and government concentrates on other important domestic issues. There is no appetite to drag brexit into next year and beyond except by those wanting it to be cancelled.

I agree in part with you, that's why I believe is not very likely we leave (with or without a deal) in October. I can't see a majority to support any kind of (very little) variation of the current deal.

[TestMangler]

5. Scotland will stay with GB (and the UK while it exists until NI decide in a referendum on UK over unified Ireland) if the break from the EU is clean so trade deals with the USA (whisky sales are a massive export for the jocks) and others can start being negotiated this year.

6. Boris will win big on voter confidence if he delivers brexit in October. Only the remoaners will want to back Corbyn if he follows through with a second referendum 'promise'. Most voters just want brexit resolved so planning for the future is easier and government concentrates on other important domestic issues. There is no appetite to drag brexit into next year and beyond except by those wanting it to be cancelled.

Given that Scotland can already export whisky to 70% of the world via current EU trade deals, what do you consider to be the that advantage of leaving that for trade deals that don't exist and won't for at least a couple of years ?