Reply to: Zero chance of a sensible Brexit amidst the pandemonium and hysteria at Westminster

[Yorkie62]

Talk is all it will ever be, the UK can only lose voting rights through a treaty change.

Far more likely is that we lose representation on relevant commissions and committees. Totally legal, and with the agreement of the UK.

Quid pro quo, if the UK wants to beg for an extension then it needs to give something in return.

UK set to lose European commissioner role over Brexit delay | Politics | The Guardian

Maybe this is TMs get out clause. Yvette Fieldings bill only requires us to ask for an extension. It mentions nothing about begging for one. So if the EU are not willing to respond to a reasonable request... we leave on Friday.

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[Platypus]

Talk is all it will ever be, the UK can only lose voting rights through a treaty change.

Far more likely is that we lose representation on relevant commissions and committees. Totally legal, and with the agreement of the UK.

Quid pro quo, if the UK wants to beg for an extension then it needs to give something in return.

UK set to lose European commissioner role over Brexit delay | Politics | The Guardian

Yeah, makes sense I suppose. We may as well get used to be a paying member who follows all the rules but who gets no say / vote. It what [strike]I[/strike] Leavers voted for

[meridian]

Kinda. There talk of UK having an 'intermediate' membership status

Talk is all it will ever be, the UK can only lose voting rights through a treaty change.

Far more likely is that we lose representation on relevant commissions and committees. Totally legal, and with the agreement of the UK.

Quid pro quo, if the UK wants to beg for an extension then it needs to give something in return.

UK set to lose European commissioner role over Brexit delay | Politics | The Guardian

[Yorkie62]

Of course! The EU can be fully trusted to help us whereever possible, just like it has the last 2 years.

Good. Nothing like living in a dictatorship.

[Platypus]

I haven't been following the news closely so may have missed something. Are UK voting rights disappearing if there is an extension?

Kinda. There talk of UK having an 'intermediate' membership status

[Platypus]

And all Remainers think this is an acceptable state of affairs do they?

Of course! The EU can be fully trusted to help us whereever possible, just like it has the last 2 years.

[Yorkie62]

No they are not as far as the Eu parliament is concerned, but they may be blocked from vetoing important decisions, because JRM suggested to do that in a tweet.

I think if the UK participates in the next EU parliament elections, the UK MEPs should only vote on issues that impact the UK for the remaining duration of the membership, in a similar fashion as the SNP usually only votes on issues that impact Scotland

And all Remainers think this is an acceptable state of affairs do they? Or maybe we should just leave on Friday.

[meridian]

No they are not as far as the Eu parliament is concerned, but they may be blocked from vetoing important decisions, because JRM suggested to do that in a tweet.

I think if the UK participates in the next EU parliament elections, the UK MEPs should only vote on issues that impact the UK for the remaining duration of the membership, in a similar fashion as the SNP usually only votes on issues that impact Scotland

It’s likely that that wouldn’t stand up in the ECJ. As long as the UK is a full member, the treaty rights cannot be deprecated.

[Eirikur]

I haven't been following the news closely so may have missed something. Are UK voting rights disappearing if there is an extension?

No they are not as far as the Eu parliament is concerned, but they may be blocked from vetoing important decisions, because JRM suggested to do that in a tweet.

I think if the UK participates in the next EU parliament elections, the UK MEPs should only vote on issues that impact the UK for the remaining duration of the membership, in a similar fashion as the SNP usually only votes on issues that impact Scotland

[Old Greg]

Not if we don't have any voting rights we don't. Its what you voted for so own it

I haven't been following the news closely so may have missed something. Are UK voting rights disappearing if there is an extension?

[meridian]

Fine, then let us own it. Let us leave this Friday with or without a deal. It is the remainers in parliament that refuse to let the Brexiteers own the decision. It is the remainers that are without doubt to blame for the current abomination. If you want Brexiteers to own Brexit then let us leave on Friday. Let me know if you want Brexiteers to own this problem or are you happy to continue with the status quo.

Yeah, nah. If a toddler is having a tantrum and wants to burn the house down, I’m not going to give him the matches.

Not if we don't have any voting rights we don't. Its what you voted for so own it

Tosh. We’ll still be full members of the EU, with all existing voting rights.

[Yorkie62]

I am a British citizen and voter so my opinion is relevant, even if that makes you cross. If you don't like British democracy, too bad.

Given the current mess, an extension is the best thing. And EU citizens in the UK will continue to be democratically represented in the European parliament.

Not if we don't have any voting rights we don't. Its what you voted for so own it

[Old Greg]

And if that extension commits us to running EU elections whilst throwing away any democratic voting rights in the EU parliament whilst continuing to pay our subscriptions in full while we retain our EU membership. You are happy with that? Its rhetorical question for you as you don't live in the UK and therefore have no relevant opinion on this matter.

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I am a British citizen and voter so my opinion is relevant, even if that makes you cross. If you don't like British democracy, too bad.

Given the current mess, an extension is the best thing. And EU citizens in the UK will continue to be democratically represented in the European parliament.

[Yorkie62]

Re your addendum to original post: Yvette Cooper is not trying to block Brexit, she is trying to block no deal and extend Article 50. This gives time for the adults to sort out the children's mess while the children shout about Perfidious Albion on speed.

And if that extension commits us to running EU elections whilst throwing away any democratic voting rights in the EU parliament whilst continuing to pay our subscriptions in full while we retain our EU membership. You are happy with that? Its rhetorical question for you as you don't live in the UK and therefore have no relevant opinion on this matter.

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[Old Greg]

I wasn't aware that I had any friends in the ERG, or any other politically affiliated group for that matter.

Let me rephrase for you. Nothing to say about the leavers in the ERG, who have blocked Brexit?