Reply to: The EU paves the way....

[Batcher]

FTFY.

Once you've eaten all the cats, dogs, rats, etc., you'll be happy to buy some haggis from us too

[Batcher]

Not to mention a currency called the Euro, elements of the impending EU Nuclear fleet located at Faslane, and FOM just for starters.

Personally I'm not against the Euro but that myth that we would be forced to use it has been busted. e.g. Sweden is in the EU but hasn't started using the Euro.

Fact: An Independent Scotland would not have to use the euro. – Business for Scotland

We'll use whichever currency you use to buy our oil, water, gas, electricity, whisky,...

[Batcher]

Nobody says England won't trade with Scotland. That is just your Brexiteer style self pitying paranoia talking (aka talking nonsense). However, an independent Scotland in the EU may End up with a hard border with England.

They do and have said it actually. A threat that we would lose our biggest trading partner. I agree that its nonsense to say that.

We would be in the EU so would have the same trading arrangements as the rest of the EU with rUK.

We might have a hard border if rUK has a no deal with the EU. If they have some sort of customs union with the EU then it won't be as necessary.

[meridian]

So essentially things are much the same as they would have been in 2014. Remind me, how did THAT once-in-a-generation vote play out?



Not quite thought this through, have you?

Not the same at all. There was no suggestion of any EU “fleet” in 2014, and FoM was a given back then - there was no threat that it was going to be removed.

Plus, of course, there’s the major difference of the impression that England is forcing Scotland to leave the EU against it’s wishes.

I don’t have a particular drum to beat in this either way, but you can hardly say that it is the same as 2014.

[shaunbhoy]

Which solves the problem from the last referendum of which currency they would use, provides jobs to local workers, and the Scottish Parliament are actively encouraging and supporting FoM so that won’t be a problem (not to mention that it would provide FoM for Scottish people throughout the rest of the EU).

Not quite thought this through, have you?

So essentially things are much the same as they would have been in 2014. Remind me, how did THAT once-in-a-generation vote play out?



Not quite thought this through, have you?

[meridian]

Not to mention a currency called the Euro, elements of the impending EU Nuclear fleet located at Faslane, and FOM just for starters.

Which solves the problem from the last referendum of which currency they would use, provides jobs to local workers, and the Scottish Parliament are actively encouraging and supporting FoM so that won’t be a problem (not to mention that it would provide FoM for Scottish people throughout the rest of the EU).

Not quite thought this through, have you?

[Old Greg]

Not to mention a currency called the Euro, elements of the impending EU Nuclear fleet located at Faslane, and FOM just for starters.

And queuing in Gretna for Spuddy's NAAFI soup kitchen.

[NotAllThere]

... when we will have the resources to sell you to keep you alive and haggis

FTFY.

[shaunbhoy]

However, an independent Scotland in the EU may End up with a hard border with England.

Not to mention a currency called the Euro, elements of the impending EU Nuclear fleet located at Faslane, and FOM just for starters.

[Old Greg]

Good piece in the FT:

During the spring of 1975 the Wall Street Journal ran a powerful headline. “Goodbye Great Britain”, the American business newspaper declared. The UK was known as the sick man of Europe. Investors were taking flight in the face of its ruinous economic performance and endemic industrial strife. Greatness had made way for spiralling decline.

The prediction proved premature. Britain was bailed out by the International Monetary Fund and subsequently saved by North Sea oil and, some would say, by Margaret Thatcher’s economic revolution. In any event, a decade later Thatcher was dancing on the world stage with US president Ronald Reagan.

Goodbye EU, and goodbye the United Kingdom

Scotland will be Independent, Brexit will cause economic ruin in England and Scotland's oil won't be available to save them next time.

That's the reason the state fought so hard to keep Scotland in the union in 2014. Don't believe what they say about Scotland being subsidy junkies.

We generate enough wind and hydro power electricity to power Scotland without the need for nuclear or carbon based fuels. Loch Ness holds the most water with 7.4 million m3, which is more than all the English and Welsh lakes combined. - Scotland’s freshwater | Scotland's environment web

England will run out of clean drinking water in 25 years - Climate change: Water shortages in England 'within 25 years' - BBC News

Anyone who says England won't trade with an independent Scotland is talking nonsense when we will have the resources to sell you to keep you alive

Nobody says England won't trade with Scotland. That is just your Brexiteer style self pitying paranoia talking (aka talking nonsense). However, an independent Scotland in the EU may End up with a hard border with England.

[Batcher]

While I agree, I was trying to play nicely. And still got called names. :-(

I was agreeing with you

[Batcher]

Brexit will cause the breakup of the UK. Scotland will vote out in Indyref2, and it's highly likely the NI will follow suit. You was warned of this pre ref in 2016 but you argued it was project fear. If you really cared about keeping the UK together you wouldn't have voted leave.

Stop being a hypocrite - this is what you voted for. Own your decision and stop being a snowflake.

Good piece in the FT:

During the spring of 1975 the Wall Street Journal ran a powerful headline. “Goodbye Great Britain”, the American business newspaper declared. The UK was known as the sick man of Europe. Investors were taking flight in the face of its ruinous economic performance and endemic industrial strife. Greatness had made way for spiralling decline.

The prediction proved premature. Britain was bailed out by the International Monetary Fund and subsequently saved by North Sea oil and, some would say, by Margaret Thatcher’s economic revolution. In any event, a decade later Thatcher was dancing on the world stage with US president Ronald Reagan.

Goodbye EU, and goodbye the United Kingdom

Scotland will be Independent, Brexit will cause economic ruin in England and Scotland's oil won't be available to save them next time.

That's the reason the state fought so hard to keep Scotland in the union in 2014. Don't believe what they say about Scotland being subsidy junkies.

We generate enough wind and hydro power electricity to power Scotland without the need for nuclear or carbon based fuels. Loch Ness holds the most water with 7.4 million m3, which is more than all the English and Welsh lakes combined. - Scotland’s freshwater | Scotland's environment web

England will run out of clean drinking water in 25 years - Climate change: Water shortages in England 'within 25 years' - BBC News

Anyone who says England won't trade with an independent Scotland is talking nonsense when we will have the resources to sell you to keep you alive

[meridian]

Gibraltar isn't any part of the UK, far less 100%.

United Kingdom | The Commonwealth

The UK is a union of four countries: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. The Crown dependencies (the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man) are largely self-governing with the UK responsible for their defence and international relations and are not part of the United Kingdom.

Gibraltar is an Overseas Territory, another name for a colony.

While I agree, I was trying to play nicely. And still got called names. :-(

[Batcher]

So, let’s see how much you can get wrong in a single post.

Island? Nope. Rock.

EU Parliament? Nope. Committee.

Voted to recognise the island? Nope. Rock.

Voted to recognise as a colony? Nope. Just a footnote to a draft law and makes no legal difference.

100% part of UK? Debatable. And by that I don’t mean their right to be considered part of the U.K., but the “100%” is debatable, they have no representation in Westminster.

Paves the way? Nope. Draft law only.

Stay in the EU to see the breakup of the UK? Nope, the draft law is only relevant in the case of No Deal.


EU draft law says Gibraltar is a British 'colony' | Euronews

Gibraltar isn't any part of the UK, far less 100%.

United Kingdom | The Commonwealth

The UK is a union of four countries: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. The Crown dependencies (the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man) are largely self-governing with the UK responsible for their defence and international relations and are not part of the United Kingdom.

Gibraltar is an Overseas Territory, another name for a colony.

[Old Greg]

ergo
Draft laws have an uncanny habit of becoming laws

I think it is you that needs the loci for dummies book.

But have you understood yet that Gibraltar is not a part of the UK?