Reply to: Farage's new "the brexit party" party

[WTFH]

Erm, no checks at all on arrival into the mainland UK?

Currently there are none, and if the DUP have their way, that will continue.

[meridian]

Farage's new "the brexit party" party

If the French suppliers deliver to a UK address then its French VAT plus customs duties . The destination country determines VAT payable. You are asking the French to commit VAT fraud.

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I’m not asking the French to do anything. I’m not even suggesting that the suppliers are French, or are VAT registered. Any Brit can send a truck of French wine through Ireland if they want to, and given that they would be more likely to have the cash-and-carry lined up on the U.K. side to sell the product I’d suggest it’s more likely to be a Brit.

As you say, the destination country determines the VAT. If there is no border check on the U.K. side, then how do you determine that the correct VAT has been paid, if you are not checking that the goods being imported match the manifesto and match the VAT paid?

How do you know that the duty paid (if any) matches the product, given the different duty rates between still and sparkling, or at different ABV levels?

How do you know that VAT, duty, and Excise have been paid on 3 cases or 3 pallets, without checking what’s in the truck?

And that’s just the financial implications. Is it Vin de Pays or Cru? Do the contents match the label? Forget wine for a moment - maybe it’s flammable pyjamas, or a choking hazard, or otherwise unsafe?

[AtW]

VAT is based on place of SUPPLY, not origination, unless you mean VAT for seevice of supplying, ie driving truck

[Brussels Slumdog]

No, you misunderstand. No delivery address in Ireland, it’s going straight through. No checks at all in Ireland except to ensure the security tie on the lorry is intact and they have the relevant TIR carnet.

If the French suppliers deliver to a UK address then its French VAT plus customs duties . The destination country determines VAT payable. You are asking the French to commit VAT fraud.

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[AtW]

oSo if I get on a ship from NI then I can arrive to London and nobody will check my visa/passport, no customs checks?



DUP argument is that there should be no Constitional differences, where as in reality there are a few already, so they sre just no good lieing scumbag politicians just like the rest of them

[Mordac]

Cretin Pride. Good for you!

You're a far better role model then you give yourself credit for...

[meridian]

Farage's new "the brexit party" party

Erm, no checks at all on arrival into the mainland UK?

No, why would there be any checks on traffic within the U.K.? That’s the whole DUP argument, isn’t it?

Erm, Putin’s FSB figured out how to open secure Olympic piss bottles, put new piss and them amd reseal without damaging bottles (not aupposed to happen).

Of course, they’re not infallible.

You really think security ties will do when contraband will be so profitable?

No, I don’t, but the sealed containers from an Irish perspective are only for through-traffic, not for Ireland as a destination. There will be non-standard checks for (eg) drugs and guns, but the Irish authorities won’t be checking that the correct U.K. tariffs and VAT have been paid, or that the quality of the goods is as described.

Given that Ireland is in the single market there is less financial reward for bringing contraband into ROI. There’s more to be made in avoiding tariffs, higher duty, and VAT by bringing it into the U.K.

Which is kinda the point, about why the U.K. will also need to man a border if one goes up.

[AtW]

No, you misunderstand. No delivery address in Ireland, it’s going straight through. No checks at all in Ireland except to ensure the security tie on the lorry is intact and they have the relevant TIR carnet.

Erm, Putin’s FSB figured out how to open secure Olympic piss bottles, put new piss and them amd reseal without damaging bottles (not aupposed to happen).

You really think security ties will do when contraband will be so profitable?

[AtW]

Easy, you drive it across the border into NI.

Remember, all these guys are saying there will be no border, no border checks, nothing. So to bypass UK duty, just take it in via Ireland.

Erm, no checks at all on arrival into the mainland UK?

[meridian]

Great Invoicing party in GB and delivery address Cork ie 0% .
Now explain the business scenario getting the goods from IE to GB without VAT and duties.

No, you misunderstand. No delivery address in Ireland, it’s going straight through. No checks at all in Ireland except to ensure the security tie on the lorry is intact and they have the relevant TIR carnet.

[WTFH]

Great Invoicing party in GB and delivery address Cork ie 0% .
Now explain the business scenario getting the goods from IE to GB without VAT and duties.

Easy, you drive it across the border into NI.

Remember, all these guys are saying there will be no border, no border checks, nothing. So to bypass UK duty, just take it in via Ireland.

[Brussels Slumdog]

Border traffic is two-way. If the EU implements a border, the border will stop traffic coming one way (from NI into Ireland) to check phytosanitary, to check that the contents of the trucks match the manifesto, and to ensure all relevant Irish taxes and tariffs are collected. They will wave all traffic from Ireland to NI through.

Sounds like you’re advocating to let anything through into NI, and from there into the whole of the U.K.

Simple example - French wines attract U.K. duty and excise at Dover, but you’re going to allow them to arrive in Cork, transit through Ireland, into NI, and transfer out of Larne into rUK, with no checks for tariffs or duty.

Sounds like a great plan.

Great Invoicing party in GB and delivery address Cork ie 0% .
Now explain the business scenario getting the goods from IE to GB without VAT and duties.

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[Old Greg]

Ok. Well, NLyUK appears to be saying something different. Continuity Remain is clearly an outrageous thing to say because of the unjustified paramilitary connotations. Continuity Brexit is perfectly reasonable for Farage, because of his paramilitary threat to don khaki and take up a rifle if Brexit doesn't go his way.

Bean slinks away defeated once again...

[Old Greg]

I'm not ready to take that step just yet...

Cretin Pride. Good for you!

[Mordac]

This whole thing is getting out of hand. Next thing we know, you'll be identifying as clever.

I'm not ready to take that step just yet...