Reply to: Brexit: 'Very real' chance of Irish unity poll if no deal

[darmstadt]

"and after being approved by the occupying powers"

As I said.

How many other countries have their constitution "approved" by "occupying powers" .

How many countries don't have a written constitution...

Unlike most modern states, Britain does not have a codified constitution but an unwritten one formed of Acts of Parliament, court judgments and conventions.

This means that is basically uncodified or is one that exists in an abstract sense. It is something that is fluid and can change at any time A cardinal characteristic being that in law Parliament is sovereign in the sense of being the supreme legislative body. Since there is no documentary constitution containing laws that are fundamental in status and superior to ordinary Acts of Parliament, the courts may only interpret parliamentary statutes. They may not overrule or declare them invalid for being contrary to the constitution and ‘unconstitutional’. So, too, there are no entrenched procedures (such as a special power of the House of Lords, or the requirement of a referendum) by which the unwritten constitution may be amended.

[Batcher]

There is no single unit of 'doing well'

There is GDP, unemployment, balance of trade, other indicators, the direction of travel for each of these.

On some of these the UK is doing better and on some Ireland is doing better. It's worth shaping your viewers around reality, rather than the other way round.

Unemployment - UK is doing better because they add in zero hours contracts and people earning so low wages they still need to claim benefits.

[Batcher]

Me too......and I'm British!!

FTFY

[Batcher]

"and after being approved by the occupying powers"

As I said.

How many other countries have their constitution "approved" by "occupying powers" .

The Scots

[stonehenge]

Hence the backstop. The EU don't trust us to negotiate in good faith, so they are putting an insurance policy in place to protect themselves

The eurosceptic lot know that they're unlikely to get a deal they can accept, hence why they want rid of the backstop.

It's funny how, during the referendum, a lot of them said it would be the easiest deal ever but, if that was the case, why would they care about the backstop?

[Whorty]

I suspect a lot of people don't realise that. It doesn't help that the WA keep getting referred to as "deal".

The real deal is probably going to be even more tortuous than the WA.

Hence the backstop. The EU don't trust us to negotiate in good faith, so they are putting an insurance policy in place to protect themselves

[AtW]

If the UK does not come to some sort of decision soon, the UK is totally stuffed

You voted for it, well done.

[AtW]

The real deal is probably going to be even more tortuous than the WA.

What happens at the moment will be seen as nice walk in the park because by the time proper deal is negotiated EU will make a few rule changes that UK was blocking all these decades.

[stonehenge]

All of the arguing so far is mainly about a Withdrawal Agreement that at least gives us a transition period to figure out what we want - EFTA, Canada, etc. The real argument is only just about to start....

I suspect a lot of people don't realise that. It doesn't help that the WA keep getting referred to as "deal".

The real deal is probably going to be even more tortuous than the WA.

[meridian]

If the UK does not come to some sort of decision soon, the UK is totally stuffed. I don't care if it is remain or stay. The "TM" deal is no deal - it just kicks the can down the road.

Deal or No Deal, the real can was always being kicked down the road - what sort of trading relationship does the UK want with the EU in the future?

All of the arguing so far is mainly about a Withdrawal Agreement that at least gives us a transition period to figure out what we want - EFTA, Canada, etc. The real argument is only just about to start....

[GreenMirror]

There is no single unit of 'doing well'

There is GDP, unemployment, balance of trade, other indicators, the direction of travel for each of these.

On some of these the UK is doing better and on some Ireland is doing better. It's worth shaping your viewers around reality, rather than the other way round.

If the UK does not come to some sort of decision soon, the UK is totally stuffed. I don't care if it is remain or stay. The "TM" deal is no deal - it just kicks the can down the road.

[Old Greg]

Ireland are doing 3 x better than the UK at the moment.

There is no single unit of 'doing well'

There is GDP, unemployment, balance of trade, other indicators, the direction of travel for each of these.

On some of these the UK is doing better and on some Ireland is doing better. It's worth shaping your viewers around reality, rather than the other way round.

[Batcher]

And it would bankrupt Ireland.

Ireland are doing 3 x better than the UK at the moment.

[scooterscot]

On the other hand, a united Ireland would solve the backstop issue.

Hope the take Scotland with them.

[shaunbhoy]

I work for a company with a big Milan presence. They are always winding up the Sicilians. "You are not Italian". The Sicilians get very upset by this.

If NI, Scotland, Wales etcetc. want to leave then let them.

Obviously a chance Scotland might not vote in favour of leaving the UK. So this time, let the whole of the UK vote on if Scotland should leave or not.

I think losing Scotland would be a great pity. Look at the inventions that have come from Scotland in the last 150 years. But I am sick of the whining.

Me too......and I'm Scottish!!