Reply to: Which country is more dysfunctional in 2019 : USA or UK?

[Old Greg]

A substantial minority did not assume that it would be better, but this was dismissed as "Project Fear".

There's a divisiveness of almost religious proportions even now. It's not that difficult to find Remain commentators that say that No Deal will be catastrophic, and Leave commentators that say that No Deal will be beneficial. They can't both be right.

Depends on your perspective. It will suit some rich and powerful people. For the ordinary citizen it will be bad news.

[meridian]

The US, they knew what they were getting when they voted, we at least assumed it would be better

A substantial minority did not assume that it would be better, but this was dismissed as "Project Fear".

There's a divisiveness of almost religious proportions even now. It's not that difficult to find Remain commentators that say that No Deal will be catastrophic, and Leave commentators that say that No Deal will be beneficial. They can't both be right.

[Old Greg]

Yes and the point is when you enter into a trade dispute, such as a no deal "the soya beans rot in the field", amongst many other problems.

The consequences of a no deal will be 10 times worse for the UK than the US trade skirmish with China. If the US enters a full scale trade war it's screwed, that would be the equivalent of a no deal Brexit.

However for these reasons a no-deal Brexit probably isn't going to happen.

FTFY

[BlasterBates]

Well, that's the US and Soya Beans not trade rules. TBF to Trump, there is a big problem with China and stealing IP and tech. It's very difficult for foreign companies to setup and sell to China. So there is a huge imbalance.

So, something needs to be done. The economy is doing quite well in the US, as I understand.

Yes and the point is when you enter into a trade dispute, such as a no deal "the soya beans rot in the field", amongst many other problems.

The consequences of a no deal will be 10 times worse for the UK than the US trade skirmish with China. If the US enters a full scale trade war it's screwed, that would be the equivalent of a no deal Brexit.

However for these reasons a no-deal Brexit isn't going to happen.

[SimonMac]

The US, they knew what they were getting when they voted, we at least assumed it would be better

[original PM]

Well, that's the US and Soya Beans not trade rules. TBF to Trump, there is a big problem with China and stealing IP and tech. It's very difficult for foreign companies to setup and sell to China. So there is a huge imbalance.

So, something needs to be done. The economy is doing quite well in the US, as I understand.

Orange man bad

Soya bean rotted

[woohoo]

Try telling that to the US farmers whose Soya Beans are rotting the fields because the US can't overcome its hurdle

You will see Trump cave to the Chinese in the next few weeks having achieved virtually nothing.

You will also see the UK cave as it tries to overcome the "hurdle" after a no deal.

Well, that's the US and Soya Beans not trade rules. TBF to Trump, there is a big problem with China and stealing IP and tech. It's very difficult for foreign companies to setup and sell to China. So there is a huge imbalance.

So, something needs to be done. The economy is doing quite well in the US, as I understand.

[Old Greg]

It will be figured out because business/finance control governments, at least in the western world. It's just a hurdle to be overcome. It doesn't alter the economics of a country with a sound basis in services and high tech engineering etc.

This does not mean the UK is in a mess, it's just a hurdle to jump and it will be.

You don't have a crystal ball to know that it will be figured out. There is a tempting view point that at the edge of the cliff (leaving with no deal) people will step back. I think that will probably happen but it may not. The most obvious and catastrophic example in modern history of mis-steps at a critical point is the outbreak of WW1.

So within this context, not knowing what the trade rules will be between the UK and the EU in two months' time is a mess. If you disagree, not much point arguing about it.

[BlasterBates]

It's quite amusing how Brexiteers always use vague language about how things will be "sorted out" without explaining how. They have no strategy.

They're going to find the EU is a big powerful immovable object, and the UK will be bending to its will sooner or later.

[original PM]

Try telling that to the US farmers whose Soya Beans are rotting the fields because the US can't overcome its hurdle

You will see Trump cave to the Chinese in the next few weeks having achieved virtually nothing.

You will also see the UK cave as it tries to overcome the "hurdle" after a no deal.

Not the soya beans

say it ain't so....

[BlasterBates]

It will be figured out because business/finance control governments, at least in the western world. It's just a hurdle to be overcome. It doesn't alter the economics of a country with a sound basis in services and high tech engineering etc.

This does not mean the UK is in a mess, it's just a hurdle to jump and it will be.

Try telling that to the US farmers whose Soya Beans are rotting the fields because the US can't overcome its hurdle

You will see Trump cave to the Chinese in the next few weeks having achieved virtually nothing.

You will also see the UK cave as it tries to overcome the "hurdle" after a no deal.

[woohoo]

Start with one point about the UK: nobody knows what the trade rules will be between the UK and the EU in two months' time.

It will be figured out because business/finance control governments, at least in the western world. It's just a hurdle to be overcome. It doesn't alter the economics of a country with a sound basis in services and high tech engineering etc.

This does not mean the UK is in a mess, it's just a hurdle to jump and it will be.

[Old Greg]

This - not sure why people think the UK is doing badly

In addition what is actually the problem in the US?

It seems to me that people are projecting their dislike for certain people onto a larger backdrop of the country being screwed.

Start with one point about the UK: nobody knows what the trade rules will be between the UK and the EU in two months' time.

[meridian]

On the question of independence of a part of that member state?

These are the same people that demand that "the EU" interfere in Catalonia, but would piss themselves with apoplexy if "the EU" dared to suggest that Scotland should have a referendum.

[original PM]

In what way is the UK in a bad way? Seriously, this doom and depressive attitude some of you have is totally unjustified. The UK is doing pretty darn well.

This - not sure why people think the UK is doing badly

In addition what is actually the problem in the US?

It seems to me that people are projecting their dislike for certain people onto a larger backdrop of the country being screwed.