Reply to: No Norway Plus option then...

[WTFH]

You know that's avoiding the question!

Well, you're not comparing like with like.
In 2000 most videos on the internet were 640x480 resolution, maybe some went as high as 1024x768. Few screens supported much higher than that. I vaguely remember architects buying ones at 1600x1200 but these cost over £1,000.

Today most videos are recorded in HD, which is considered to be 1360x768. True HD, running at 1920x1080 is fairly common, with 4k starting to emerge as well (3840x2160).

So, 1Gb of data in 2000 would be 27x the length of video that it would be today, because the quality is so much higher.

[original PM]

Is porn the only trade deal you're worried about?

And it's all about the upload speed, anyway.

You know that's avoiding the question!

[WTFH]

In 2000 how long would it have taken you to download a gig of porn?

How long does it take now?

The world is changing and moving on - the digital age will erode the old barriers and the central powers which made things take so long so they could justify their existence will slowly be mothballed as they become increasingly outdated.

It's the future I tell you.

Is porn the only trade deal you're worried about?

And it's all about the upload speed, anyway.

[original PM]

Yep but no agreement with the EU, so most flights still grounded

And as we have already said - that would be cutting off their nose to spite their face because they need the tourist dollar.

[Eirikur]

Ahh so all of sudden planes flying from the UK will not have to be grounded then.

Who would have thought that?

Yep but no agreement with the EU, so most flights still grounded

[original PM]

It's only taken 2.5 years to get it agreed. Easiest deal ever. How many decades to get a trade deal?

In 2000 how long would it have taken you to download a gig of porn?

How long does it take now?

The world is changing and moving on - the digital age will erode the old barriers and the central powers which made things take so long so they could justify their existence will slowly be mothballed as they become increasingly outdated.

It's the future I tell you.

[WTFH]

Ahh so all of sudden planes flying from the UK will not have to be grounded then.

Who would have thought that?

It's only taken 2.5 years to get it agreed. Easiest deal ever. How many decades to get a trade deal?

[original PM]

A point of order here...

The UK and the USA have made a post-Brexit Open Skies agreement
UK and US agree new open skies arrangements - GOV.UK

The UK and Canada have made a post-Brexit Open Skies agreement
Transatlantic flight guarantee as UK and Canada agree new air arrangement - GOV.UK

Ahh so all of sudden planes flying from the UK will not have to be grounded then.

Who would have thought that?

[WTFH]

A point of order here...

The UK and the USA have made a post-Brexit Open Skies agreement
UK and US agree new open skies arrangements - GOV.UK

The UK and Canada have made a post-Brexit Open Skies agreement
Transatlantic flight guarantee as UK and Canada agree new air arrangement - GOV.UK

That’s good news, which I wasn’t aware of. Thanks for the links.

[WTFH]

So a moderator on here now takes to flaming me as a liar. I admit it is not deleted, however I could only find it by using the linky thing in a post where it had been quoted. It does not make me a liar. I spent a long time looking for the original post trawling through the thread.

Anyway, now you are also flaming me and calling me xenophobic. Libellous to say the least.

You bullying and flaming continues, hiding behind your anonymity and power as a moderator.

PS to make a mistake does not make someone a liar. To lie they have to have conspired to distort the truth deliberately. This I have never done. So for you to call me a liar is libellous.

PS As a moderator, your attitude is appalling. the evidence is in your last post. You need to take a very, very long hard look in the mirror.

I didn’t “flame” you. You claimed in more than one post that I had deleted (or asked others to delete) a post of mine that had not been deleted.
That is 100% false. I proved it was 100% false, but your persisted in your claim. If the first time you did it was a lie out of ignorance, I could forgive you, repeating the lie after the truth has been pointed out to you is a deliberate attempt to distort the truth.
Then trying to claim that you, the liar, are being libelled, that sounds like the attitude of someone who is desperate to find someone else to blame for a situation they got themselves into and weren’t interested in getting out of.

Apart from that, your incessant spamming of the forum, where you attempted to quote my post 4 times would say that you’ve got issues.

Maybe if only you’d stuck to discussing points about Brexit, instead of trying to attack individuals, you might not have come across as such a bullying snowflake who may, or may not, hate/fear/distrust people based on pre-judging.
Do you think Cojak is a bad mod, or is it just reserved for the male mods?

[Yorkie62]

This is very true, and good news for the short term, especially for travellers.

The only small fly in the ointment is for the UK businesses themselves.

US, UK reach new open skies agreement on air travel in post-Brexit deal | Business Standard News





There may be some conflict between EU and US requirements on ownership, but we'll see how that plays out. A lot will hinge on the definition of "change hands" and the percentage requirements.

Either way, good news for travellers, but not really "taking back control" if we need US approval for "changing hands" of UK airlines. Mind you, this could be spun as good news in that it reduces the risk of UK airlines being sold to overseas companies.

How is ownership defined here? Is it the country in which the head office resides, or is it the country of origin of the majority of the shareholders. The latter could be a tricky one to establish and would probably mean a lot of organisations fall foul of the requirements on ownership. Or is it something else?

[chopper]

Either way, good news for travellers, but not really "taking back control" if we need US approval for "changing hands" of UK airlines. Mind you, this could be spun as good news in that it reduces the risk of UK airlines being sold to overseas companies.

Foreign ownership rules are pretty commonplace. The US requires its airlines to be majority US owned too. But it means that with certain airlines, e.g. FlyBe, failing - its market for investors is seriously curtailed to just the UK.

It also means that Ryanair would be unable to operate its handful of domestic UK services without a structural change, but less Ryanair is a good thing.

[meridian]

A point of order here...

The UK and the USA have made a post-Brexit Open Skies agreement
UK and US agree new open skies arrangements - GOV.UK

The UK and Canada have made a post-Brexit Open Skies agreement
Transatlantic flight guarantee as UK and Canada agree new air arrangement - GOV.UK

This is very true, and good news for the short term, especially for travellers.

The only small fly in the ointment is for the UK businesses themselves.

US, UK reach new open skies agreement on air travel in post-Brexit deal | Business Standard News

In future, however, airlines that change hands will have to meet the ownership requirements or get US approval, Reuters reported on Tuesday.

IAG , the Anglo-Spanish airline group that is the parent company of British Airways and Spain's Iberia, has also been working to address EU ownership issues after the European Commission said it could fall below EU ownership requirements after Brexit.

There may be some conflict between EU and US requirements on ownership, but we'll see how that plays out. A lot will hinge on the definition of "change hands" and the percentage requirements.

Either way, good news for travellers, but not really "taking back control" if we need US approval for "changing hands" of UK airlines. Mind you, this could be spun as good news in that it reduces the risk of UK airlines being sold to overseas companies.

[chopper]

E.g. Open Skies

A point of order here...

The UK and the USA have made a post-Brexit Open Skies agreement
UK and US agree new open skies arrangements - GOV.UK

The UK and Canada have made a post-Brexit Open Skies agreement
Transatlantic flight guarantee as UK and Canada agree new air arrangement - GOV.UK

[Old Greg]

Oooh - the pain - I'm so upset. Yorkie62 has said that I'm crap at being a moderator, incompetent and spineless. Worse, he's given my crown for being crappest mod ever to WTFH. I think I'll have to sue him for libel.

Btw - how come WTFH hides behind his anonymity, but you want to sue based on your delusional idea that your anonymous account here has been libelled. Or is your name really Yorkie62? I checked at companies house and there's no director with that name.

To be fair WTF is the worst mod ever.