Breaking News - Theresa May admits to 'rolling over' on deal

[darmstadt]

I agree with that. It is the Tory Brexiters who cannot decide a leader. Gove, Johnson, JRM?

Looks like they might have to get Farage or Johnson in.....

Well Farage would be ideal, he also reneges on what he says:

October:

“We will explain a free trade deal is possible, if that’s what the gangsters in Brussels want.
“If they don’t, that is fine, if they don’t we will leave with no deal. No deal, no problem.”

Today:

“So perhaps we all need to grow up and recognise there is a strong chance of the UK leaving on March 29th with a WTO ‘no deal’.”
“We need a negotiated deal to deal with sensible border issues.”

[meridian]

I agree with that. It is the Tory Brexiters who cannot decide a leader. Gove, Johnson, JRM?

Looks like they might have to get Farage or Johnson in.....

Well, apart from the minor detail that Farage has stood 7 times to be an MP and been rejected every time.

Maybe Jo Johnson?

[GreenMirror]

I think we can agree there, but I would go further and say that the issue is Tories fighting among themselves.

I’ve heard it mentioned elsewhere that this isn’t a fight about sovereignty of the country, it’s a fight about who controls the Tory party. We’re just 60 million people in collateral damage.

I agree with that. It is the Tory Brexiters who cannot decide a leader. Gove, Johnson, JRM?

Looks like they might have to get Farage or Johnson in.....

[meridian]

The big issue is the Brexiters fight among themselves. They don't care about the country, just themselves.

I think we can agree there, but I would go further and say that the issue is Tories fighting among themselves.

I’ve heard it mentioned elsewhere that this isn’t a fight about sovereignty of the country, it’s a fight about who controls the Tory party. We’re just 60 million people in collateral damage.

[GreenMirror]

The EU has had to do very little except wait for the U.K. to stop fighting with itself.

The big issue is the Brexiters fight among themselves. They don't care about the country, just themselves.

[meridian]

So you agree that the EU was always making the rules and we had no real choice but to either go along with it - and go wherever that meant.

or to leave and embrace the future ourselves.

No, I’m literally saying the exact opposite. Did you even read?

A Brit wrote the rule. The U.K. set the rules by triggering A50 and by setting it’s Red Lines.

The U.K. has always had a choice, but has boxed itself in through its own incompetence. The EU has had to do very little except wait for the U.K. to stop fighting with itself.

[GreenMirror]

TM rolled over. The EU won.

Unless parliament votes down the deal.

Nah, that would never happen....

[original PM]

To be fair, they didn't need to do much.

It is Article 50 (written by a Brit) that sets out the exit criteria, it was the UK that triggered A50, it was the UK's Red Lines (tm) that set out what the EU could or could not offer.

All the EU needed to do was wait until the UK could decide what it wanted within those parameters.

So you agree that the EU was always making the rules and we had no real choice but to either go along with it - and go wherever that meant.

or to leave and embrace the future ourselves.

[meridian]

EU won it - they've separated Withdrawal deal and New Deal, and they'll be at liberty to make lots of changes in April 2019 that UK was previously blocking, so the New Deal will have to be inline with the New Reality.

They've played it almost perfectly.

To be fair, they didn't need to do much.

It is Article 50 (written by a Brit) that sets out the exit criteria, it was the UK that triggered A50, it was the UK's Red Lines (tm) that set out what the EU could or could not offer.

All the EU needed to do was wait until the UK could decide what it wanted within those parameters.

[AtW]

EU won it - they've separated Withdrawal deal and New Deal, and they'll be at liberty to make lots of changes in April 2019 that UK was previously blocking, so the New Deal will have to be inline with the New Reality.

They've played it almost perfectly.

[BlasterBates]

Brussels bosses GLOAT over UK deal

..and well they might.

BRUSSELS bosses have privately gloated they have the upper hand in post-Brexit trade talks with Britain after EU leaders ratified the draft withdrawal agreement with Theresa May, it has emerged.

I think in all fairness we need to congratulate the EU in winning the negotiations, after all it was an uphill battle as the UK held all the cards.

[AtW]

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[darmstadt]

Theresa May denies 'rolling over' on deal

Theresa May has denied claims from DUP leader Arlene Foster that she had "given up" on negotiations before agreeing the Brexit deal.

Mrs Foster said the PM's trip to promote the deal to businesses in Wales and Northern Ireland was a "waste of time" as Parliament would not back it.

Meanwhile, former defence secretary Sir Michael Fallon told the BBC the deal was "doomed" and must be renegotiated.
Mrs May insists it protects the "vital interests" of the whole of the UK.

After enduring criticism of the Brexit withdrawal agreement in the Commons on Monday, the prime minister began the next day rejecting US President Donald Trump's suggestions that the deal could threaten future US-UK trade deals.

Brexit: Theresa May denies 'rolling over' on deal - BBC News

Which basically shows that Fallon lives in some kind of dream world. The EU have quite clearly stated that this is it, no more negotiations...If he knows of a better deal then why didn't he speak up earlier or is he just another loudmouthed blustering Brexiter?

[AtW]

Theresa May denies 'rolling over' on deal

Theresa May has denied claims from DUP leader Arlene Foster that she had "given up" on negotiations before agreeing the Brexit deal.

Mrs Foster said the PM's trip to promote the deal to businesses in Wales and Northern Ireland was a "waste of time" as Parliament would not back it.

Meanwhile, former defence secretary Sir Michael Fallon told the BBC the deal was "doomed" and must be renegotiated.
Mrs May insists it protects the "vital interests" of the whole of the UK.

After enduring criticism of the Brexit withdrawal agreement in the Commons on Monday, the prime minister began the next day rejecting US President Donald Trump's suggestions that the deal could threaten future US-UK trade deals.

Brexit: Theresa May denies 'rolling over' on deal - BBC News