Reply to: Project Fear Redux

[original PM]

But the UK has cake and tea and scones and jam, how can we be considered backward or impoverished. Haven’t you managed to translate JRM’s latest proclamation from Latin yet to understand that?

I was just quoting what every one else was saying was going to happen.

But surely it must be true? Immigrants are not going to slog right through Italy, Germany, France to come to the tuliphole which will be the UK after brexit surely?

In fact maybe we need to concentrate on not letting people out rather than not letting them in?

Maybe?

[The_Equalizer]

But the UK has cake and tea and scones and jam, how can we be considered backward or impoverished. Haven’t you managed to translate JRM’s latest proclamation from Latin yet to understand that?

"JRM’s latest proclamation from Latin" or Juncker's drunken ramblings, you pays your money...

[WTFH]

Also more rationally people would simply stop trying to get into Britain as surely they would have landed in the land of milk and honey which is the EU and therefore have no reason to come to the backwards, impoverished UK?

But the UK has cake and tea and scones and jam, how can we be considered backward or impoverished. Haven’t you managed to translate JRM’s latest proclamation from Latin yet to understand that?

[original PM]

So are we just going to let lorries in without checks? Not going to check for all the people trying to smuggle themselves into the country?

We can make our own rules, but at the minute there are no plans to have any rules. No plans for anything apart from stockpiling food, which really installs confidence in the government and where we are heading.

I imagine we will still do a lot of checks.

Good thing about all those people trying to smuggle themselves into the Uk - they can now be shot.

Pretty sure very very soon people would stop trying to get to the UK if they got shot - but either way it works eh!

Also more rationally people would simply stop trying to get into Britain as surely they would have landed in the land of milk and honey which is the EU and therefore have no reason to come to the backwards, impoverished UK?

[WTFH]

This is the point which does seem to be missed at times

We, as in the UK, can make our own rules as to what we do to incoming goods and only we can decide how much we enforce that.

It is one of the supposed advantages of Brexit.

So are we just going to let lorries in without checks? Not going to check for all the people trying to smuggle themselves into the country?

We can make our own rules, but at the minute there are no plans to have any rules. No plans for anything apart from stockpiling food, which really installs confidence in the government and where we are heading.

[The_Equalizer]

This is the point which does seem to be missed at times

We, as in the UK, can make our own rules as to what we do to incoming goods and only we can decide how much we enforce that.

It is one of the supposed advantages of Brexit.

This isn't right. We must be told by those from continental Europe what we can and cannot do; just like CUK.

[original PM]

Last time the Southbound M20 was full of lorries, was there the slightest impact on the Northbound??

Who will 'require' us? Who can enforce this, and in what way?

This is the point which does seem to be missed at times

We, as in the UK, can make our own rules as to what we do to incoming goods and only we can decide how much we enforce that.

It is one of the supposed advantages of Brexit.

[darmstadt]

Last time the Southbound M20 was full of lorries, was there the slightest impact on the Northbound??

Who will 'require' us? Who can enforce this, and in what way?

Doh! Did you pop over to Calais and look there?

[Zigenare]

VoteLie (and many on here who supported them) said that we would “Take Back Control of our borders”, you know, that control we already had but didn’t use?
So, to demonstrate that we have control over our borders we need to stop every vehicle entering the country to make sure it’s not full of illegal immigrants coming from the EU, etc.
Isn’t that what you wanted? Or are you now going for “we need free movement of goods into the UK”?

Do you think that as soon as we leave the EU that we'll be removing our border farce contingent from Calais? This is an agreement that the UK has with France because the French won't do their jobs properly, not an EU agreement.

[sasguru]

I kind of agree with Cirrus - the food thing is overblown. I doubt there'll be a shortage of food but I do expect food to get more expensive (this is inline with most grocery experts analyses).
There shouldn't be any shortage of medicine, but meds from outside the UK will shoot up in price thus straining the NHS.
Brexit will be a slow-moving and prolonged death of the UK, hardly noticeable at first but with growth rates pegged at 1.5% for the forseeable future, we will simple become more and more irrelevant to the big players of the economy in the world to come: the US, China, India and the EU (if the countries of the EU are wise enough to stick together in the face of external threats and not fight among themselves).

There is no great trade future with other countries - we aren't Germany, we don't make enough stuff.
Our service industries which comprise 80% of the economy don't really translate into China or India, in the main.

And that is why I now want a hard Brexit.
The sooner these realities become obvious, the sooner we can leave the land of Narnia and La la land behind and make the inevitable, in the long-term, accomodation with our neighbours.

[Cirrus]

increasing checks by just a few minutes per truck at Dover would lead to tailbacks up the M20

Last time the Southbound M20 was full of lorries, was there the slightest impact on the Northbound??

we will be required to apply the same checks on food from Belgium as we do on food from the USA.

Who will 'require' us? Who can enforce this, and in what way?

[WTFH]

Sorry old bean but if you can stop foaming from the mouth for just five minutes and explain then I'd be most grateful.

VoteLie (and many on here who supported them) said that we would “Take Back Control of our borders”, you know, that control we already had but didn’t use?
So, to demonstrate that we have control over our borders we need to stop every vehicle entering the country to make sure it’s not full of illegal immigrants coming from the EU, etc.
Isn’t that what you wanted? Or are you now going for “we need free movement of goods into the UK”?

[Zigenare]

We might not be intending on slowing it down. However, it’s generally accepted that increasing checks by just a few minutes per truck at Dover would lead to tailbacks up the M20, choking the supply roads.

Extrapolate this across every port and you’ve got supply routes being blocked in a very short time.

We currently have a fairly “light touch” on shipments coming in from the single market. Once we leave we will be a third country, and we will be required to apply the same checks on food from Belgium as we do on food from the USA.

Trucks bringing food into the country being checked at Dover are going to choke supply roads?

Sorry old bean but if you can stop foaming from the mouth for just five minutes and explain then I'd be most grateful.

Accredited suppliers and transporters will still receive a light touch. Food will not be rotting on the quayside.

[meridian]

I don't get the shortage of food thing. A lot of fresh food comes in from Europe but we're not going to slow it down at the ports so where is the shortage logic?

Sorry Darmy but I think you're going to have to be demoted. No more Supreme Leader...

We might not be intending on slowing it down. However, it’s generally accepted that increasing checks by just a few minutes per truck at Dover would lead to tailbacks up the M20, choking the supply roads.

Extrapolate this across every port and you’ve got supply routes being blocked in a very short time.

We currently have a fairly “light touch” on shipments coming in from the single market. Once we leave we will be a third country, and we will be required to apply the same checks on food from Belgium as we do on food from the USA.

[meridian]

Project Fear Redux

the right-wing daily papers would take it as a war ultimatum.

Right on cue. Daily Mail. “War cry”.

Pathetic from a supposedly senior government minister. This is the reason why we have this division. Government and media acting together.