Reply to: Bojo resignation letter response from TM

[Old Greg]

Thanks.

Not a problem.

[Bean]

Thank you.



No, I belive that the promise (or whatever) of the bus has not been fulfilled, and here is why.





Whether you take the wording on the bus or on the poster, there is no £350 million per week to give to the NHS.

Imagine (for the sake of simplifying the argument, although I accept that the eventual amount and sources of funding may be complex than this) that the government decided to raise taxes by £350 million per week to give to the NHS. That is not funding the NHS instead of sending £350 million per week to the EU, nor is it giving the NHS £350 million per week that was previously being sent to the NHS. It is just giving £350 million per week to the NHS.

Thanks.

[Old Greg]

Yes.

Thank you.

Now, would you agree, if £364M/week extra money is eventually given to the NHS, that the suggestion part (not the premise) of the side of the bus would have been delivered? - I'm interested in what you believe

No, I belive that the promise (or whatever) of the bus has not been fulfilled, and here is why.





Whether you take the wording on the bus or on the poster, there is no £350 million per week to give to the NHS.

Imagine (for the sake of simplifying the argument, although I accept that the eventual amount and sources of funding may be complex than this) that the government decided to raise taxes by £350 million per week to give to the NHS. That is not funding the NHS instead of sending £350 million per week to the EU, nor is it giving the NHS £350 million per week that was previously being sent to the NHS. It is just giving £350 million per week to the NHS.

[Bean]

Facts are facts and lies are lies, but I'm interested in what you believe. It's fascinating, in its own way.

Don't you believe it was more than merely potentially misleading? The rebate component of this notional £350 million per week is never 'sent'. Don't you believe that this makes it a lie?

Yes.

Now, would you agree, if £364M/week extra money is eventually given to the NHS, that the suggestion part (not the premise) of the side of the bus would have been delivered? - I'm interested in what you believe

[Old Greg]

I've already told you, beliefs are not required.

There are some facts and statements made by relevant authorities.

Perception and/or belief doesn't alter reality.

It was potentially misleading.

HTH BIDI

Facts are facts and lies are lies, but I'm interested in what you believe. It's fascinating, in its own way.

Don't you believe it was more than merely potentially misleading? The rebate component of this notional £350 million per week is never 'sent'. Don't you believe that this makes it a lie?

[Bean]

Tell me, do you believe the statement was a lie. You didn't answer the question.

I've already told you, beliefs are not required.

There are some facts and statements made by relevant authorities.

Perception and/or belief doesn't alter reality.

It was potentially misleading.

HTH BIDI

[Old Greg]

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/trans...ngbrexitdebate

"The UK Statistics Authority concluded on 21 April 20163 that the use of the £350 million figure, which was a gross figure and did not take into account the rebate or other flows from the EU to the UK public sector (or flows to non-public sector bodies), alongside the suggestion that this could be spent elsewhere, without further explanation, was potentially misleading."

No need for beliefs.

HTH

Tell me, do you believe the statement was a lie. You didn't answer the question.

[Bean]

Do you believe that the statement, 'We send the EU £350 million a week' was a lie?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/trans...ngbrexitdebate

"The UK Statistics Authority concluded on 21 April 20163 that the use of the £350 million figure, which was a gross figure and did not take into account the rebate or other flows from the EU to the UK public sector (or flows to non-public sector bodies), alongside the suggestion that this could be spent elsewhere, without further explanation, was potentially misleading."

No need for beliefs.

HTH

[Old Greg]

I don't think it was a lie, as it was a suggestion/potential option offered by Leave campaigners, with no guarantee of being selected by a government.
(The words 'let's give' were used, not 'we will give' - people will say that is pedantry, but it's not.)

Although it appears as though TM is going to select that option, as one area where some of the Brexit dividend will go, in the future.

Do you believe that the statement, 'We send the EU £350 million a week' was a lie?

[Bean]

Of course it was a lie. Do you think it wasn't a lie?

I don't think it was a lie, as it was a suggestion/potential option offered by Leave campaigners, with no guarantee of being selected by a government.
(The words 'let's give' were used, not 'we will give' - people will say that is pedantry, but it's not.)

Although it appears as though TM is going to select that option, as one area where some of the Brexit dividend will go, in the future.

[Old Greg]

If it does happen in, say 6 years - was it a lie on the side of a bus?

Of course it was a lie. Do you think it wasn't a lie?

[GreenMirror]

So if inflation goes up and the NHS budget follows suit, does that mean that the £350million will go to the NHS sooner?

Is the "Brexit Dividend" actually just rising inflation?

You were right the second time.

Though it will be spun differently.

[WTFH]

As inflation seems to be set at 2% a year then it will happen eventually.

So if inflation goes up and the NHS budget follows suit, does that mean that the £350million will go to the NHS sooner?

Is the "Brexit Dividend" actually just rising inflation?

[GreenMirror]

If it does happen in, say 6 years - was it a lie on the side of a bus?

As inflation seems to be set at 2% a year then it will happen eventually.

[meridian]

If it does happen in, say 6 years - was it a lie on the side of a bus?

Yes.

You and Theresa May seem to be the only people left clinging to the idea.