Reply to: The Honda Questions

[northernladyuk]

As you say the decision is multi faceted but things like the Honda Question are being presented as a reason why Brexit was a bad idea.

It is a reason why leaving the customs union and single market is a bad idea. See:

23. Honda benefits from the simplicity of complying with a single regulatory regime across Europe, for the manufacture and sale of cars, as well as motorcycles and power products. The ability to place goods on the market across the EU on the basis of a single Type Approval is a particularly important benefit.

24. Honda would like to see the continuation of the validity of pre-existing Type Approvals after Brexit, both those issued from any EU-27 Type Approval Authority and presented in the UK, as well as those issued by the UK’s Vehicle Certification Agency and presented in the EU-27. It should also remain possible to guarantee the validity of the extensions issued by the VCA after Brexit to pre-existing EU Type Approvals.

25. The issue of the continuing validity of Type Approvals in a “Hard Brexit” scenario is of critical importance to Honda’s European operations and supplier base across EU-27 Member States. If EU and UK Type Approvals issued after Brexit are no longer mutually recognised, we would be unable to place products onto the market. Additionally, if approvals for parts and components are no longer recognised, we would face significant difficulties sourcing
appropriately approved components from suppliers in the UK and EU. Both of these factors would have a very significant impact on our production activity.

26. In order to mitigate this risk, and to ensure we are able to continue to place vehicles on the EU market, Honda would either have to relocate Type Approval activity to another Member State, or the UK would have to negotiate to ensure that the EU continues to recognise UK Type Approvals – and vice versa.

Your curious tangents around profits and multinational corporations are an odd way of addressing the impact on trade that is around the corner.

[BlasterBates]

Fact is, increasingly people are seeing Brexit as a mistake.

Most Brits now think Brexit was a mistake, European Parliament president Antonio Tajani says | The Independent

If the trend continues it is pretty obvious what is to become of Brexit.

[original PM]

It is somewhat more complex than that. It is not just selling tariff free, but also the ability to manage supply chains (e.g. for components) that cross internal EU borders.

Also your question is framed very crudely, as the decision around membership of the EU is multi-faceted and cannot be reduced to a single factor. To illustrate that, let me turn the question around for you to answer:

So what you are saying is we should leave the EU so that companies won't still invest in the UK as that doesn't give us jobs and them the ability to sell into the European Market tariff free?

As you say the decision is multi faceted but things like the Honda Question are being presented as a reason why Brexit was a bad idea.

[northernladyuk]

So what you are saying is we should stay in the EU so that companies will still invest in the UK as that gives us jobs and them the ability to sell into the European Market tariff free?

It is somewhat more complex than that. It is not just selling tariff free, but also the ability to manage supply chains (e.g. for components) that cross internal EU borders.

Also your question is framed very crudely, as the decision around membership of the EU is multi-faceted and cannot be reduced to a single factor. To illustrate that, let me turn the question around for you to answer:

So what you are saying is we should leave the EU so that companies won't still invest in the UK as that doesn't give us jobs and them the ability to sell into the European Market tariff free?

[original PM]

Let's ignore the slippery slop fallacy at the end of your sentence.

I do think it's a good idea for the UK to have skilled manufacturing jobs, and that requires investment, typically from multinational companies. Jobs are the flip side of profits. Leaving the EU (or perhaps more precisely, leaving the customs union and single market) is likely to have a negative impact on such investment.

So what you are saying is we should stay in the EU so that companies will still invest in the UK as that gives us jobs and them the ability to sell into the European Market tariff free?

[northernladyuk]

I am not blaming anyone for anything.

But do you really think it is a good idea for people of the Uk to not leave the EU to satisfy large multinationals desire for profits?

Where do you think that would end?

Let's ignore the slippery slop fallacy at the end of your sentence.

I do think it's a good idea for the UK to have skilled manufacturing jobs, and that requires investment, typically from multinational companies. Jobs are the flip side of profits. Leaving the EU (or perhaps more precisely, leaving the customs union and single market) is likely to have a negative impact on such investment.

[original PM]

Isn't it going to be fine anyway, following Brexit? Or are you moving on to the blaming someone else for the disaster phase?

I am not blaming anyone for anything.

But do you really think it is a good idea for people of the Uk to not leave the EU to satisfy large multinationals desire for profits?

Where do you think that would end?

[northernladyuk]

You keep telling yourself that and the world will be just fine.

Isn't it going to be fine anyway, following Brexit? Or are you moving on to the blaming someone else for the disaster phase?

[original PM]

There's no need for additional confirmation. We're good.

You keep telling yourself that and the world will be just fine.

[northernladyuk]

Indeed - which multinational would you like to bend you over and fook you and the next 4 generations of your kids?

There's no need for additional confirmation. We're good.

[original PM]

The last paragraph certainly helps to explain the first two.

Indeed - which multinational would you like to bend you over and fook you and the next 4 generations of your kids?

[northernladyuk]

Indeed - it has always been a good idea to throw away any morals you have to ensure large faceless corporations can make more money.

I mean a bet there has not been 1 book written about a society that has given it's freedom over for the illusion of financial security.

Jeez fookin' kerist on a bike some people on here are thick as pig$h!t

The last paragraph certainly helps to explain the first two.

[original PM]

Indeed - it has always been a good idea to throw away any morals you have to ensure large faceless corporations can make more money.

I mean a bet there has not been 1 book written about a society that has given it's freedom over for the illusion of financial security.

Jeez fookin' kerist on a bike some people on here are thick as pig$h!t

[milanbenes]

http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevi...tten/71644.pdf

oh dear

not a pretty picture is it

well, don't say they didn't warn you, they've certainly put some thought into this

Milan.

[northernladyuk]

Who needs foreign car makers anyway?

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