Reply to: So we all accept now that Brexit is a car crash, and it is all the fault of...

[BrilloPad]

You really ought to widen your range of reading material.

HTH

He only just got beyond the beano.

[BrilloPad]

Britain currently has the best possible deal with the EU. Any new deal will be inferior.

The EU will not accept any deal that is better for them. The only criteria will be to penalise the UK.

Hence I expect hard Brexit.

[northernladyuk]

When are you remoaners going to make a single argument backed-up by real world facts/data for staying in the EU. FUD and proclamation don't cut it.

UK financial services companies can sell services freely across the EEA.

[JozefBlofeld]

When are you remoaners going to make a single argument backed-up by real world facts/data for staying in the EU. FUD and proclamation don't cut it.

Britain currently has the best possible deal with the EU. Any new deal will be inferior.

[northernladyuk]

When are you remoaners going to make a single argument backed-up by real world facts/data for staying in the EU. FUD and proclamation don't cut it.

UK residents can work anywhere in the EEA.

[darmstadt]

When are we leavers going to make a single argument backed-up by real world facts/data for leaving the EU. FUD and proclamation don't cut it.

FTFY

[scooterscot]

https://www.theguardian.com/business...lus-since-2002
Salmon sales surge as UK food exports hit record high - BBC News
UK exports to the EU surge on weaker pound*
UK unemployment falls to new 42-year low - BBC News

The bad news just keeps coming....

So in fact not UK sales, but Scottish sales. typically Scots propping up a failing economy.

[Addanc]

When are you remoaners going to make a single argument backed-up by real world facts/data for staying in the EU. FUD and proclamation don't cut it.

[shaunbhoy]

The Daily Mail/Express.

You really ought to widen your range of reading material.

HTH

[WTFH]

Which people have said things like that?

The Daily Mail/Express falsely claim that anyone who voted remain says that all the time. It's their way of trying to be as divisive as possible.

[northernladyuk]

Which is why I didn't let the mainstream media channels influence my vote. I did my own research and the more I dug, the less I liked the EU and where it was heading. It's incapable of reform too.



Why of course. Keeping links with Europe and the EU doesn't mean having to be a part of it. What pisses me off is when people say things like "The UK is nothing without the EU." Utter tulipe.

Which people have said things like that?

[rl4engc]

the main arguments were not really discussed on the mainstream media channels, even the BBC let us all down on this one.

Which is why I didn't let the mainstream media channels influence my vote. I did my own research and the more I dug, the less I liked the EU and where it was heading. It's incapable of reform too.

The only saving grace is that the majority of politicians are trying to do their best to keep links with the EU.

Why of course. Keeping links with Europe and the EU doesn't mean having to be a part of it. What pisses me off is when people say things like "The UK is nothing without the EU." Utter tulipe.

[contractorinatractor]

June 2016 : The result is 52/48 in favour of Leaving the EU. <<<< This is the bit you lot need to concentrate on.

I think a lot of people were disgusted by the large volume of right wing and, also other misinformed, media promoting a brexit based on primal fears of foreigners, asylum seekers, immigrants, with some ridiculous notion of passion towards their country. That's how you got your ball over the line. Those who suggest that the constant negative stories of the EU had no effect in such media are delusional.

We all like the UK to some degree, that's why we stay here. How do you feel about the fact it is currently ok to run a campaign in your country, using such images, which WILL have influenced plenty of voters, to get a result you wanted? I find it bizarre.

Most decent and intellectual people would suggest that it is morally wrong and should never have happened. Without such stoking of false fears, it would likely have been around 30% to 35% of the votes for BREXIT. You can't believe the feeling you 'won' (you're losing; you'll see) and don't seem to mind the journey to this 'win'.

It's pathetic really. I find it surreal that the main arguments were not really discussed on the mainstream media channels, even the BBC let us all down on this one. Instead they discussed the interesting racist minority of the country and their interests, rather than the options available, possible plans; that is to say: what you are really voting for.

The only saving grace is that the majority of politicians are trying to do their best to keep links with the EU.

[contractorinatractor]

https://www.theguardian.com/business...lus-since-2002
Salmon sales surge as UK food exports hit record high - BBC News
UK exports to the EU surge on weaker pound*
UK unemployment falls to new 42-year low - BBC News

The bad news just keeps coming....

Unemployment measurement methodology has changed. Governments over the past forty years have changed these, so the true unemployed increasingly leave in scope to out of scope.

If the goods rely upon commodities to produce, then you do understand that more exports aren't necessarily a good thing, right? The value of our currency has decreased, so in order to stand still, we have to export more and more. In ye olde world, when manufacture and services were unique to a local country market, this worked just fine most of the time. Now? We're internationalised.Do you see that entirely changing? No, me neither.

If you genuinely believe exports increasing due to currency fluctuations - in this way - are good for the UK long term, you are a moron, and encompass exactly the stereotype the city has of brexiteers. "Increase in exports? Woopey doo! I was right after all!"

Conversely, did you feel the punch with exports decreased? No, I didn't think so; because numerous myriad factors are involved in an economy, not simply exports. Honestly, it does worry me that in a supposed meritocracy we have morons hired at £750/day who can't even assimilate basic economic theory or recognise their own biased. Sigh.

[sasguru]

It's only a f**k up in the minds of the die hard Remoaners. Even most orignal Remoaners are now either neutral or Pro-Brexit.

Let me summarise for you thick Remoaners in the hope you may, at one point in the future, stop whinging and get on with life.

Pre-June 2016 : The Country kept demanding a referendum on the EU. Cameron, having failed miserably to ever get any concessions out of them, announces a referendum.
June 2016 : The result is 52/48 in favour of Leaving the EU. <<<< This is the bit you lot need to concentrate on.
Post-June 2016 : The Brexiters get on with life, job done.
Post-June 2016 : The Country carries on carrying on. No recession, no civil war, no riots, no mass unemployment, no mass exodus of business.
Post-June 2016 : The Remoaners keep moaning...
Post-August 2017 : The Remoaners keep on moaning... FFS

You need to get into your head, if it is or was the huge fook up that you say it is, then the Brexiters, and the people sat on the fence, would now be out on the streets with placards now saying "We want EU back!" "Please forgive us for ever asking to leave!" "You are our masters and we your humble slaves!"

Is the above happening?

Have we left the EU yet? Anyone got a plan for that? Anyone? Anyone?