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Previously on "New HMRC campaign targeting clients is revealed"
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Even if there was a way to identify the hundreds of thousands of potential IR35 flouters, what are they going to do? Take them all to court? IR35 is unenforceable and they know it.
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostOk, check the VAT registration then and pick all in IT Consultancy. How's that?
The PGC itself does a survey every year to find out what industries it's members are in and not everyone running limited that could fall under IR35 is in IT.
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Originally posted by Archangel View PostThis would just create an enormous list of no wins. Just about every small business works on this model eg Shops photographers, franchise holders, more than one man band plumbers, electricians etc etc. these will not be subject to ir35. believe it or not there are businesses out there that are not I.t. Contractors
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostWell we kinda knew HMRC would be trying something to focus on independent contractors but this seems to be just another cock up on their part. Surely it would have been much easier just picking on everyone husband and wife company paying themselves under the limit for NI. Nice easy wins there surely.
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Originally posted by Craig at Nixon Williams View PostThe point is that if HMRC are writing out to large companies that they suspect use a lot of contractors, the chances are that the company will use an agency to source their contractors. In that scenario the agency is the supplier and if there are a good few contractors then the fees paid will exceed the upper limit and nothing will need to be disclosed.
Of course, if you use a smaller agency or go direct then the above won’t apply…further supporting PCGs point about penalising smaller businesses.
It could be that NickNick is right and this is a data gathering exercise.Last edited by Zero Liability; 14 March 2014, 18:47.
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Originally posted by aoxomoxoa View PostThey probably can, via the good offices of GCHQ !
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Originally posted by NickNick View PostMy guess, and this is just a guess, is that they would be looking to replace IR35 with something else and this is part of a preliminary data gathering excercise to work out the size of the target.
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Originally posted by MyUserName View PostHang on - if they write to a client and ask how their contractors are paid then they will reply that the pay X a day/hour to agency X.
If they write to agency X and ask how the contractors are paid then they will say we pay them Y per day/hour.
How does this give any information about IR35 liabilities or have I missed the point?
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Hang on - if they write to a client and ask how their contractors are paid then they will reply that the pay X a day/hour to agency X.
If they write to agency X and ask how the contractors are paid then they will say we pay them Y per day/hour.
How does this give any information about IR35 liabilities or have I missed the point?
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The point is that if HMRC are writing out to large companies that they suspect use a lot of contractors, the chances are that the company will use an agency to source their contractors. In that scenario the agency is the supplier and if there are a good few contractors then the fees paid will exceed the upper limit and nothing will need to be disclosed.
Of course, if you use a smaller agency or go direct then the above won’t apply…further supporting PCGs point about penalising smaller businesses.
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