Reply to: Ambiguity over daily and hourly rates

[kingcook]

Ok I've spoken to the agent and he's re-worded it to the correct hourly rate. Thanks all for your help. Now have to hope all is well with JSA umbrella.

Bad name for a brolly co!!

[stek]

So you agree with me, 37.5 is most common.

Yup but also I was saying it's not safe to assume that.

[jmo21]

last few for me have been 35, 37 and now 37.5 with 37.5 being the most common. When I go for roles in Switzerland I find they're almost always 40hr/week so you can never assume.

So you agree with me, 37.5 is most common.

[Boo]

You get paid for the work you do. If you work through your lunch break, then you get paid for it. If not, then you don't.

No you don't, you get paid for what the contract says you get paid for. If it says you get paid lunch hours then you get paid lunch hours, if not not. If it is silent on the issue then you get paid lunch hours


Boo

[escapeUK]

Thanks all for your help. Now have to hope all is well with JSA umbrella.

Job Seekers Allowance????

[ChuckMcquillan]

Ok I've spoken to the agent and he's re-worded it to the correct hourly rate. Thanks all for your help. Now have to hope all is well with JSA umbrella.

[SueEllen]

Would be interested to hear more about this - how would the difference(s) between contract and temp affect me in relation to my current issue?

It doesn't.

Speak to the agent.

[ChuckMcquillan]

Is this a temp job or is it a contract for a short period of work. There is a world of difference.

Would be interested to hear more about this - how would the difference(s) between contract and temp affect me in relation to my current issue?

[kingcook]

The issue now is the fact that the hourly rate doesn't tally to the daily rate.

You need to speak to the agent.

[ChuckMcquillan]

First, agreeing the daily rate without knowing expected hours is a mistake.

Second, if they advertised £120/ day based on 8 hours/day at £15, when they knew it would actually only be 7 hours/day @ £15, then they have either deliberately misled you (and other applicants) or there has been some confusion along the way.

So the ball is in your court as to what to do. Either demand the full amount, or walk.

Also, 7.5 hours is, I'd say, the most common standard hours per day.

Well the hours seems to be fixed at 9-5/7 hour day/35 hour week, so that's not my issue. I was given the daily rate and hours at the outset, which was fine. The issue now is the fact that the hourly rate doesn't tally to the daily rate.

I'm happy that I can charge the daily rate on any given day where it's a standard 9-5. My issue -apart from overall clarity of daily/hourly rate - is what do I charge on a day where, say, I do an hour overtime (ie. over the 7 hours).

[stek]

First, agreeing the daily rate without knowing expected hours is a mistake.

Second, if they advertised £120/ day based on 8 hours/day at £15, when they knew it would actually only be 7 hours/day @ £15, then they have either deliberately misled you (and other applicants) or there has been some confusion along the way.

So the ball is in your court as to what to do. Either demand the full amount, or walk.

Also, 7.5 hours is, I'd say, the most common standard hours per day.

last few for me have been 35, 37 and now 37.5 with 37.5 being the most common. When I go for roles in Switzerland I find they're almost always 40hr/week so you can never assume.

[jmo21]

First, agreeing the daily rate without knowing expected hours is a mistake.

Second, if they advertised £120/ day based on 8 hours/day at £15, when they knew it would actually only be 7 hours/day @ £15, then they have either deliberately misled you (and other applicants) or there has been some confusion along the way.

So the ball is in your court as to what to do. Either demand the full amount, or walk.

Also, 7.5 hours is, I'd say, the most common standard hours per day.

[Scrag Meister]

This needs to be clarified with your agent who should have a better view on what the client is intending.

In my experience, lunches aren't paid. So to get the £120/day you need to be doing 8 hours excluding lunch.

Sounds like the one agent did the valuation and another is talking to you.

Ask your agent to make it crystal clear.

[ChuckMcquillan]

Is this a temp job or is it a contract for a short period of work. There is a world of difference.

I would *say* I'm a temporary worker.

Assignment confirmation email says:
X is starting a contract on Monday 12th of March 2012 at 9 am
Assignment duration (ongoing): initial 4 weeks

I signed the contract which I thought was 2 copies but have just realised they're actually 2 slightly different doc's: One has a title that says "Terms of Assignment of Temporary Workers", the other "Terms of Assignment of Consultants via Limited Company and Self Billing Agreement".

I also signed an Agency document called "Umbrella Company Acknowledgement, Signed By The Temporary Worker".

How else do I tell? (apart from ask the agent to clarify, of course!)

Whatever the contract says, £120 a day or £15/hour is what you'll get. And no pay for lunch.

Sounds like a bit of agent accidental-on-purpose bulltulip with the £120/day. He probably knew all along it was £15/hr and just multiplied by 8 to make it sound more.

Thats well crap rate as well mind. Is it PC migration or something like that?

It's not an IT role, it's marketing. With all due respect, I'm not looking for comment on the rate.

This comes back to my main issue: If you're being quoted a standard working week and an hourly rate, surely the hourly rate must tally with the daily rate - and £120/day and £15/hr doesn't tally, based on a standard working week of 35 hours (7 hour day). £120/day at 7 hours is £17.14/hr. If I did 1 hour overtime, what would I be paid? The lower hourly rate of £15? Shouldn't it be a pro-rata rate calculated from the daily rate? So pro rata of £120/dy for 7 hours is £17.14/hr?

[northernladuk]

You get paid for the work you do. If you work through your lunch break, then you get paid for it. If not, then you don't.

You need to ask your umbrella - they are your employer now, so they need to tell you what to do.

Yes.

Although there is some legal requirment to take a lunch break.