Reply to: electronic timesheet processing.

[thequ1ck]

Thanks for that Jack. But this IS a career change and
that's why I'm on this rate.

[Captain Jack]

If you're on less than £10/hour in central London with a family to support, I would suggest a career change to something more reliable and with less hassle. Shelf stacking at Tesco pays nearly £9/hour in my neck of the woods.

[thequ1ck]

I was offered an hourly rate by Hays on PAYE that included 'rolled up'
holiday pay. I wasn't told this initially and found it out when reading my
contract later. Hays then said that I could go through an umbrella at
a rate 120% their PAYE which I did.

They then set about causing as many problems as they could e.g.
Losing my bank account details on my first week.
Paying me as PAYE even after I had requested umbrella payments, which
I had to repay before processing.
Paying my umbrella at the PAYE rate, not the 120% rate agreed, which
took me over 1month to get from them, only to have it done again.
Delaying payment by not accepting electronic timesheets.
Delaying payment because the 'post must have been late'.
Not contacting me at any stage in my assignment and when I try to
reach my consultant telling me he's on holiday or training every time.

The consequence is payments have been made in batch e.g. 2 weeks at
a time with advance amounts taken out and surcharges.

From 2 weeks payment minus 2 advances at 50% of the gross each, I took home a net of £50.

If you're getting holiday pay then you're PAYE rather than Ltd. So why are you going through Giant?

[interested]

If you're getting holiday pay then you're PAYE rather than Ltd. So why are you going through Giant?

[paulb567]

Hays are getting paid because they have a contract with the client to supply a worker/contractor to do your job. The client would go to someone like Hays to save themselves the hassle of sifting through 100s of irrelevant CVs to find someone to fill the position. They'd also go to someone like Hays because they want an employee without the hassle of pay roll, sick pay, holiday pay, employment rights, etc, etc.

The same way your getting paid because you have a contract with Hays (or your Umbrella does).

Only difference is Hays are probably being paid twice what you are paid for doing a lot less, but thats the way of the world.

edit - I obviously don't type fast enough

[thequ1ck]

Firstly they are not doing the client relationship any good as I have
now taken another role in part due to Hays's ineptitude.

Secondly, my umbrella company does most of my payroll processing,
I asked Hays this morning how long it takes to process my timesheet
for Giant and they said less than 30 seconds but I've got to wait 2 weeks
for them to do it because they don't accept faxes.

different line of questioning - but they are being paid for one of two reasons

1) because they found the role and hold the client relationship - which is a far more valuable asset than possessing the skills to deliver the job.

2) because you decided to let them act as a payroll processing agent whose job it is to hise the fact that you are really employed by the end client.

[Lucifer Box]

Will you stop beating me to all the good answers !!!

Sorry, boredsenseless, it's a quiet day at the office

[boredsenseless]

For introducing you to the client (i.e. finding you the gig) and then acting as a factoring service.

Will you stop beating me to all the good answers !!!

[boredsenseless]

[QUOTE=thequ1ck]Then what exactly are Hays getting paid for?

[QUOTE=malvolio]The problem exactly is that he thinks he's a contractor but still wants all the permie benefits and protections... Holiday pay?? What's that then? No, I'm serious - why are you getting holiday pay as a contractor?

different line of questioning - but they are being paid for one of two reasons

1) because they found the role and hold the client relationship - which is a far more valuable asset than possessing the skills to deliver the job.

2) because you decided to let them act as a payroll processing agent whose job it is to hise the fact that you are really employed by the end client.

[Lucifer Box]

Then what exactly are Hays getting paid for?

For introducing you to the client (i.e. finding you the gig) and then acting as a factoring service.

[thequ1ck]

Then what exactly are Hays getting paid for?

[QUOTE=malvolio]The problem exactly is that he thinks he's a contractor but still wants all the permie benefits and protections... Holiday pay?? What's that then? No, I'm serious - why are you getting holiday pay as a contractor?
[QUOTE]

[malvolio]

The problem exactly is that he thinks he's a contractor but still wants all the permie benefits and protections... Holiday pay?? What's that then? No, I'm serious - why are you getting holiday pay as a contractor?

Come on, the worst case scenario is you have to go one week without income, and I kind of assume you've already done that at the start of the contract. If you're running your money that close to the ground, you really ought to look at something more fundamental than getting paid quicker.

[thequ1ck]

Regulation 12 was brought out in April 2004 to protect lower paid workers.

Maybe you'd like to be contracting in central London for less than £10/hr
and having to find rent when you don't get paid on time.

edit - when was the last time you had to go without food for 3 days because
your employment business wouldn't accept a faxed timesheet??

Wow I consider myself lucky if I get paid within 60 days, I'd love to be screwed as badly as you have been. You have my sympathy

I'd hate to have a customer who actually paid within the terms of the contract it would really screw up my view of the world.

[boredsenseless]

Thank you all for the kind help at least now I'm sure I've been screwed by Hays

Wow I consider myself lucky if I get paid within 60 days, I'd love to be screwed as badly as you have been. You have my sympathy

I'd hate to have a customer who actually paid within the terms of the contract it would really screw up my view of the world.

[thequ1ck]

Thank you all for the kind help at least now I'm sure I've been screwed by Hays