Reply to: Agency witholding money, invalid opt out.

[Wanderer]

I would say if £3K is the penalty for getting another 6 months work, then that's not unreasonable and most of us would probably accept that deal.

Speak for yourself.

[SueEllen]

Yes, that's exactly what I have been doing. I have already issued them with a final invoice and if not paid will proceed with small claims. However if the employment regs do count in my favour this will save "a long time arguing".

No because this will just confuse the issue.

If their agency/client contract doesn't stipulate that if they lose the sole supplier contract you, as a subcontractor, aren't allowed to go via the new supplier then they have no reason not to pay you.

If you chase it as a bad debt and get it to court they will have to show that is the actual reason why they are not paying you as I presume your contract leaves this situation out entirely. *

Adding a line in your defence that you are opted-in to the employment regulations won't hurt, but the judge would ask you why did you sign something which you know is invalid?

*I've know of several large contracts where subcontractors and employees have been moved over to new suppliers. Was actually discussing a similar situation today about a project we have to interact with.

[cojak]

The restriction covenant will not be enforceable. You are not attempting to cut the agent out of the arrangement. The opt out is also invalid.

Step 1: Credit collection - you've done that and they ignored.
Step 2: Letter Before Action. They will probably ignore.
Step 3: Letter Before Intended Proceedings. Make sure you follow the pre action protocols.
Step 4: Money Claim online.
Step 5: Court. You will win
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Pre Action Protocols - do you mean Dunning?

[mr_woo]

When you argue with companies/people over legal matters your aim should be the route that will get you the money or whatever you are after with the least amount of effort.

Sometimes to get this you have to think laterally and use another law/contract clause, which though it could be minor, will get you what your after as it's already been tested in the courts.

In short you can either spend a long time arguing about an opt-in/opt-out clause and have to engage and pay lawyers, or you could chase them as a debtor in the way mavster07 already stated..........

Yes, that's exactly what I have been doing. I have already issued them with a final invoice and if not paid will proceed with small claims. However if the employment regs do count in my favour this will save "a long time arguing".

[SueEllen]

When you argue with companies/people over legal matters your aim should be the route that will get you the money or whatever you are after with the least amount of effort.

Sometimes to get this you have to think laterally and use another law/contract clause, which though it could be minor, will get you what your after as it's already been tested in the courts.

In short you can either spend a long time arguing about an opt-in/opt-out clause and have to engage and pay lawyers, or you could chase them as a debtor in the way mavster07 already stated..........

[mr_woo]

Thanks for the responses. I do understand why agency's put these clauses in to prevent people jumping ship. I do also think in sittuations like mine the clause is being taken out of context.

However the opt-out issue to me seems very clear. Ask to opt out 15 months after commencing on client site. Opt out invalid. Therefore Woo 1 Agency 0.

I can see this going to court and I will name and shame once all proceedings are over.

[VectraMan]

Because they effectively ended the contract, they can't enforce upon you how and when you seek services, as you are not competing with them for the work, its the new provider that is competing. You have no direct tie in to the end client, which is what such clauses are intended to prevent.

If that were true, then any of us could circumvent the restriction and go direct by the client refusing to deal with the agent. The agent puts the clause there to protect their business, i.e. if the client wants you they have to use the same agent. If the client refuses to deal with that agent, then that means they can't have you. At least that's the intent of the contract that you've signed. There's unquestionably a loss of trade if you continue via another agent.

If you don't like the terms, don't sign the contract. I would say if £3K is the penalty for getting another 6 months work, then that's not unreasonable and most of us would probably accept that deal.

[RichardCranium]

Worked for an agency for 3 years. After 3 years client put workstream out to tendor and another agency won, therefore original agency could no longer offer contract and so had little choice but to switch to new agency.

What correspondence occurred between you and the AgencyOne at this time?

You had a contract with AgencyOne, not ClientCo. ClientCo's actions do not directly affect that contract. I suspect what should have happened - and was expected by AgencyOne - was that AgencyTwo would be injected between ClientCo and AgencyOne, thus:

You --> Your Ltdco --> AgencyOne --> ClientCo

becomes

You --> Your LtdCo --> AgencyOne --> AgencyTwo --> ClientCo

The more I think about this, the more I think you've stitched up AgencyOne by assuming you could just ignore the fact you actually had a contract with them.

Your contract with AgencyOne is not the same contract as the contract AgencyOne had with ClientCo. If ClientCo has a sole supplier arrangement in place for resources, then the AgencyOne / ClientCo contract may have even stipulated what would happen in these circumstances.

[Justin]

Pre Action Protocols

The restriction covenant will not be enforceable. You are not attempting to cut the agent out of the arrangement. The opt out is also invalid.

Step 1: Credit collection - you've done that and they ignored.
Step 2: Letter Before Action. They will probably ignore.
Step 3: Letter Before Intended Proceedings. Make sure you follow the pre action protocols.
Step 4: Money Claim online.
Step 5: Court. You will win.

Make sure you follow the Pre Action protocols as per the manuals on MoneyClaim online. Make it clear to the agency that you are doing this, and expect them to do the same. Judges want to see that both parties have followed the correct process and attempted to avoid court. You could also suggest arbitration.

If the agency ignore all that they are fools. The judge will hammer them even more than they probably will anyway.

At any point the client will be able to offer to settle (before it goes to court). They may try to settle for £3K, which you can refuse. You should increase the number to take account of the extra costs you've incurred. Say another £500. If they do try to settle then take that as an indication that you have them by the short and curlies.

I'd suggest you get a lawyer involved to guide you on this one. Getting the process right is important.

[TykeMerc]

As the others have said you should go for the throat on this one, it's the agents fault that they're no longer on the suppliers preferred list so they can't claim loss of trade.

Get the demands in and go to small claims court. Don't argue the matter just send a notice of action then a summons, very easy to do.

Opt out is irrelevant and odds are you weren't asked to sign one prior to client introduction in the first place so it's never been valid.

[Wanderer]

restraint of trade and unenforceable.

take it through small claims court.

report them to the relevant regulatory body (e.g APSCO, REC, etc)

name and shame them here...

100% agree with what mavster07 said above.

Plus you can claim that this is a penalty in a civil contract which is not valid. However, the agency aren't going to answer you, they have their money so now they just ignore you till you give up.

You can find solicitors online who, for about £3, will send the agency a "letter before action" which gives them 14 days to pay up or face court action. Send it "signed for" to the director of the agency.

Then take it to small claims court, check out https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/web/mcol/welcome.

Don't forget to add penalties and interest for late payments.

It's pretty rude that after 3 years of working through this agency they have screwed you this badly. It just goes to show what a nasty bunch they are.

Name and shame, I say. DON'T let them get away with it.

Oh and one thing - why did you opt-out?

I'm not sure that the 6 month clause is actually valid in any case. That clause really is intended to prevent you from seeking work with the client to the detriment of themselves (i.e. taking work away from them). Because you're not, as you pointed out quite rightly. then the clause becomes mute.

Because they effectively ended the contract, they can't enforce upon you how and when you seek services, as you are not competing with them for the work, its the new provider that is competing. You have no direct tie in to the end client, which is what such clauses are intended to prevent.

In effect, its a restraint of trade and unenforceable.

My suggestion would be that you issue them with a full invoice, and for what isn't paid pursue it as a bad debt and take it through small claims court.

I would also inform the agency that you are reporting them to the relevant regulatory body (e.g APSCO, REC, etc) with a view to reporting them for breaching the code of conduct.

In the meantime, pursue them as a bad debtor and get what is owing to you because no agency can withhold monies owed for work completed.

Finally, you could also inform the client of the problem and see whether they can resolve it for you - because if they've paid the agency for that time you have worked, legally, that money (or whatever you bill at) is yours, not the agency's.


This is just the agency being greedy and screwing the contractor even though they lost the contract with the client. Its not the done thing and should be stomped on. I would name and shame them here...

[rootsnall]

already tried it.

Are you in the PCG ? The standard legal helpline probably won't be much use but I managed to get through to someone more knowledgeable by pestering.

I think you could be risking it by paying the Co Court fees as the 6 month clause could in theory be enforceable. The agency regs stuff is pretty wishy washy and you signed the opt out so it is not nailed on you would win. It is a matter of weighing up the odds and how much you stand to gain. Sometimes it is better to move on !?

There is a body who police the agency regs so maybe try them and report the agency.

[mr_woo]

Payontime might be faster?

already tried it.

[jmo21]

Payontime might be faster?