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[jamesbrown]

What ms said...

I totally agree. It's very hard to demonstrate a negative, but stopping bad things happening is most of what IPSE gets up to when dealing with HMG. And let's face it, nobody else is even trying.

Also worth remembering that all three major threats to us - IR35 itself, the 2020 changes and the Loan Charge debacle - are all down to the idiot Hammond who even May has recognised as being a total failure. And he wasn't listening to anyone.

This has nothing to do with Hammond or Osborne or any other ex-Chancellor. Do you think people like Hammond and Osborne spend their time pondering IR35 trajectory? Advisers advise and ministers decide, but ministers mostly just take the strong advice they are given on difficult, technical policies ("don't worry, Chancellor, we've got this").

The reason to deprecate IPSE's lobbying is not because IPSE is especially incompetent at forming a narrative (although, we are talking about an organisation who thought the Freelancer Limited Company was a good idea), but because they oversell lobbying as an effective tool. Lobbying on tax policy has never been very effective. They will nod nicely and make pleasant sounds, but they are ignoring IPSE on anything important. The reality is that, when you're de facto outside the tent, it is often better to piss over the tent and everything in it.

Bottom line, if you cannot see the benefits of IPSE's lobbying, and the narrative looks a bit crap, then you should focus on the concrete things that IPSE does provide (many of which are good), and consider the rest as being overhead that makes IPSE less competitive against other suppliers.

[ladymuck]

I have much time for Mr Chamberlain (not that one...) but yes it's true there's a lot of bad feeling about how certain changes were dealt with. Lots of us work in business change one way or another and it was a text book case of how not to do it.

The baggage should not factor in what a new member, unaware of the history, looks at in order to decide if membership is worth it.

[malvolio]

I'd much prefer that current board or members' forum members made the case, as they have bought in to the new vision. However, in their absence, I do still think IPSE is worth joining. The governance nonsense last year caused a lot of bad feeling with some of the most dedicated and committed members, and I think that's a real loss, but, what IPSE are doing on a day to day basis hasn't changed. They are still in very practical terms supporting members who are fighting IR35 as well as making the case to government, which is less visible. The work on IR35 that Andy Chamberlain does, and his commitment to getting the best for the members hasn't changed.

What ms said...

I totally agree. It's very hard to demonstrate a negative, but stopping bad things happening is most of what IPSE gets up to when dealing with HMG. And let's face it, nobody else is even trying.

Also worth remembering that all three major threats to us - IR35 itself, the 2020 changes and the Loan Charge debacle - are all down to the idiot Hammond who even May has recognised as being a total failure. And he wasn't listening to anyone.

[mudskipper]

Thanks, used your link so you should get the bonus.

To the other comments, I'll give it a go for a year and review, theres other benefits which should just about cover the cost for me.

I'd much prefer that current board or members' forum members made the case, as they have bought in to the new vision. However, in their absence, I do still think IPSE is worth joining. The governance nonsense last year caused a lot of bad feeling with some of the most dedicated and committed members, and I think that's a real loss, but, what IPSE are doing on a day to day basis hasn't changed. They are still in very practical terms supporting members who are fighting IR35 as well as making the case to government, which is less visible. The work on IR35 that Andy Chamberlain does, and his commitment to getting the best for the members hasn't changed.

[Ploptimus]

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Thanks, used your link so you should get the bonus.

To the other comments, I'll give it a go for a year and review, theres other benefits which should just about cover the cost for me.

[jamesbrown]

For good reasons or because you dont like being lumped in with the other 4 million people who work for themselves?

Can’t speak for Tarbie but, for the OP, you should dispassionately calculate the membership benefits to you and compare to the membership fee. If that doesn’t come out as being way more money in benefits than costs, I wouldn’t bother. As a representational body for contractors, they’re completely pants, so don’t get hoodwinked on the intangibles like lobbying and representation, which are basically costs

[malvolio]

Seems like existing members are paying for newbies yet again

Like James I can no longer recommend ipse


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For good reasons or because you dont like being lumped in with the other 4 million people who work for themselves?

[GhostofTarbera]

Seems like existing members are paying for newbies yet again

Like James I can no longer recommend ipse


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[jamesbrown]

If you want it...

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Not sure I would recommend them anymore though

[mudskipper]

I am about to sign up for IPSE+, anyone want to send me a referral link? I'll sign up on the first one to post here. If it needs an email address to send the referral the first person to request that I'll message.

Bonus info:
Twitter / ?

Thanks

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[Ploptimus]

I am about to sign up for IPSE+, anyone want to send me a referral link? I'll sign up on the first one to post here. If it needs an email address to send the referral the first person to request that I'll message.

Bonus info:
Twitter / ?

Thanks