"HMRC will stand by the result given"

[RonBW]

Yet.

And when HMRC announce the change in the data format then we'll see that there might be a possibility of what you describe happening.

I'm not saying that it's not going to happen at some stage in the future, but at the moment it is impossible for HMRC to say "you are doing the same job" without investigating everyone because they do not have the details of the job.

[LondonManc]

I'll say it again - how will HMRC know what role is being performed? There is no field on the data feed to HMRC for that piece of information.

Yet.

[RonBW]

I said before and I'll say it again - if a job role in one department is inside, they'll go after all those in the same role in other departments who claim to be outside.

I'll say it again - how will HMRC know what role is being performed? There is no field on the data feed to HMRC for that piece of information.

[LondonManc]

you couldn't make it up, so what was the goal of the tool in the first place?

but saying that I never trust HMRC so no surprises

The phrase "unless a compliance check finds the information provided isn’t accurate" has always given them a get out unfortunately.

[Semtex]

I'd imagine they'll adopt a rule of thumb; if 80% of a certain role are declaring inside, they'll see the <20% as easy prey.

you couldn't make it up, so what was the goal of the tool in the first place?

but saying that I never trust HMRC so no surprises

[LondonManc]

I think that's a case of HMRC saying "we think you are lying when filling in the form"...

I'd imagine they'll adopt a rule of thumb; if 80% of a certain role are declaring inside, they'll see the <20% as easy prey.

[Andy Hallett]

Isn't that logical, though - if you lie to cheat the tests, then you can hardly expect HMRC to say "yep, that's good enough for us"!

Which means that they still need to do an investigation for any outside determination that they want to challenge because they won't know whether the answers were accurate or not. Conversely, that might mean that they won't stand by an inside assessment either

They have apparently been briefing that they won't stand behind the result, even if answers are genuine.

[eek]

"HMRC will stand by the result given unless a compliance check finds the information provided isn’t
accurate."

Or not as the case may be..... Our friends at the revenue, clearly spooked by the amount of outside determinations being returned have been briefing NHS Finance Managers saying that they won't stand by the decision.

I think that's a case of HMRC saying "we think you are lying when filling in the form"...

[LondonManc]

I said before and I'll say it again - if a job role in one department is inside, they'll go after all those in the same role in other departments who claim to be outside.

[RonBW]

Isn't that logical, though - if you lie to cheat the tests, then you can hardly expect HMRC to say "yep, that's good enough for us"!

Which means that they still need to do an investigation for any outside determination that they want to challenge because they won't know whether the answers were accurate or not. Conversely, that might mean that they won't stand by an inside assessment either