MoD

[SueEllen]

If they were REALLY sensible they would now bin their dead wood, drop their rates to somewhere less than normal but just above PAYE and just pick the cream of the crop from the other agencies.

Don't give them ideas.

[DaveB]

Bit of a turn around from the events at the UKHO (MoD agency) which issued a blanket decree that all contractors were inside and say most of the subsequently leave.

[SimonMac]

Bit of a turn around from the events at the UKHO (MoD agency) which issued a blanket decree that all contractors were inside and say most of the subsequently leave.

I thought UKHO went to BIS at the same time at the Met Office?

[bobspud]

If they were REALLY sensible they would now bin their dead wood, drop their rates to somewhere less than normal but just above PAYE and just pick the cream of the crop from the other agencies.

Dont be silly. The ones you might perceive as dead wood are doing what the MoD need out of them. Its the pups that run in and scream Im here to change the world next week that are the problem. Most of the guys that I have seen fail miserably recently have all been really good at their job from a normal point of view but completely unable to cope with the long drawn out time scales of delivering something to a procurement route.

it drives them stupid then they offend people then they leave...

[teapot418]

Interesting, as the MoD was one of the departments that was fined for non compliance, so you'd expect them to be extra risk adverse.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/s...ctor-published

[bobspud]

Interesting, as the MoD was one of the departments that was fined for non compliance, so you'd expect them to be extra risk adverse.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/s...ctor-published

Why? Being non-compliant and keeping your resources on site is massively cheaper than a tank or fighter jet...

Its almost a no brainer. Im surprised more departments have not figured it out

[psychocandy]

Today the MoD communicated with its 'off-payroll appointees' regarding IR35 changes for the public sector. Whilst not explicit, the letter seems to imply that a contract review will be enough to satisfy them of employment status. Ideally a HMRC contract review or, alternatively, one from a 'competent person'.

Very different line from the TfL saga.

Is it beyond the public sector to have a coordinated response?

Interesting and sensible approach maybe. Not sure if thats what HMRC are hoping though.

Of course, you'll still get those who dont even bother getting their contract reviewed but if its just a case of getting a QDOS review up front then a lot of people will be safe.

[MrMarkyMark]

Just the start I'm guessing .

What a lovely clusterfeck, as predicted, this is turning out to be.

Really is turning out much better than expected..

[OldMamil]

IR35 letter

I am not quite so sure of the optimism. The letter actually states that one of the evidence criteria is:

A contract review showing that you are outside the IR35 intermediaries legislaton and would not be deemed an employee if you had a contract directly with the MOD rather than through an intermediary. An HMRC Contract Review is preferred, but one from a competent person or organisation is acceptable (eg a tax accountant or advisor in a reputable company). ......

So far so good?....now the sting....

Please note that it is unlikely that we would consider a Contract Review to be be adequate assurance where your placement in the MOD is effectively "manpower substitution" (eg you have been provided under the Ccrown Commercial Service Contract Labour One framworks). Ie through Capita!

The threat is the same as the Hydrographic office.... instant contract termination and HMRC notificaton.

[5000]

Today the MoD communicated with its 'off-payroll appointees' regarding IR35 changes for the public sector. Whilst not explicit, the letter seems to imply that a contract review will be enough to satisfy them of employment status. Ideally a HMRC contract review or, alternatively, one from a 'competent person'.

Very different line from the TfL saga.

Is it beyond the public sector to have a coordinated response?

Are you sure that it is about the IR35 reform and not just the annual standard off-payroll tax assurance audit?