Staying in the same public sector contract after April 2017

[bobspud]

Are you making an assumption here?

I'd guess that Sussex Seagull is closer to the truth but this leaves a third way - actually put working practices in place that only true specialists can work to. Ones that embrace no SDC and so on. The PS could then be used to properly identify specialists versus permietractors.

Simple test - can anyone on site carry out the work asked of the contractor or be in a position to tell them how to do it?

Hang on there is a far more simple approach to this... hands up if you work in a government department and were sent home over Christmas because the department didn't need you...

Congratulations you just had your very own departmental Christmas present. You can't be an employee if they don't have a mutual obligation to offer work. If they argue against that then they grant you a path to employee rights and holidays by accident because they are now saying they have a control of your work practices because they determined working hours and stopped you working to your own time frame.

Even better if permanent employees were allowed to work...

It's so stupid and ill planned its fun to watch.

[MPwannadecentincome]

Even if the answer is yes, what's the option for a department to scale up for a true temporary requirement/project then? Additional permanent staff headcount? What about when the project is completed? Round of redundancies? Complete chaos.

FTC or brolly.

There are a few contractors around who are actually quite happily already with a brolly.

[MPwannadecentincome]

In short it hasn't been thought through. One government department has pushed through the change without any consultation to any other department.

They will now get last choice of any contractors for the foreseeable future and they don't pay well enough to hire and retain the right calibre of permanent staff to fill the void.

Really? Is there enough private sector work to soak up all those PSCs?

[northernladuk]

Really? Is there enough private sector work to soak up all those PSCs?

Even if there was I can bet there are some PS contractors going to spending some time on the bench judging by my last gig.

[SlipTheJab]

Given how PS contractors are half as efficient as us normal private sector boys anyway I would just dial down that productivity by half to fit in with PS permies, sorted

[LondonManc]

Hang on there is a far more simple approach to this... hands up if you work in a government department and were sent home over Christmas because the department didn't need you...

Congratulations you just had your very own departmental Christmas present. You can't be an employee if they don't have a mutual obligation to offer work. If they argue against that then they grant you a path to employee rights and holidays by accident because they are now saying they have a control of your work practices because they determined working hours and stopped you working to your own time frame.

Even better if permanent employees were allowed to work...

It's so stupid and ill planned its fun to watch.

That's without sick pay, union representation, redundancy, pension, etc.

Nor do permies need PI/PLI cover...

[PStanley70]

What's the get out ? And how does 'essential' staff determine tax status ? Looks like the mess has begun ...

Not specified. My interpretation is that they're prepared to make bespoke arrangements for a small number of critical staff - probably either contract & working arrangements that place them outside IR35 or a fee rate increase to compensate. I don't expect it to apply to me.

[SussexSeagull]

Really? Is there enough private sector work to soak up all those PSCs?

Probably not but I said the public sector will become the last choice for contractors. If the NHS caps on daily rates I read about being to spread and they can't get a contract in the private sector the financial case for contracting probably doesn't add up anymore either.

A fairly massive market correction will happen in the the next couple of years.

[seeourbee]

I've just turned down a contract i on the grounds it was deemed inside IR35. And so it begins, this message needs to get out.

[LondonManc]

I've just turned down a contract i on the grounds it was deemed inside IR35. And so it begins, this message needs to get out.

What was the day rate like?

Was it simply a case of same rate but now inside IR35?