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    HMRC FAQs

    have a look at this:

    http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/specialist/ebt-faqs.pdf



    1.3 What is the disguised remuneration legislation?

    This legislation was enacted in July 2011 and will apply to EBTs and
    similar structures from 6 April 2011 (with certain transactions also
    being brought within the new legislation if they were carried out
    between 9 December 2010 and 5 April 2011 inclusive).



    1.14 How many years will HMRC go back in terms of seeking PAYE
    and NICs on allocations within the EBT?


    The settlement will include all the years and liabilities where we
    have protected HMRC’s position or the position is capable of being
    protected within normal time limits.



    2.4 How will the amount paid or accounted for under the
    agreement be calculated?


    The amount ‘paid or accounted for’ under the ‘paragraph 59
    agreement’ will be the full amount of tax and NICs chargeable on
    the earnings plus any interest due in the following situations

    • for years which are within normal assessing time limits for
    making determinations/decisions and taking action to recover
    NICs

    • for years protected by determinations/decisions and where we
    have taken action to recover NICs

    The amount to be ‘paid or accounted for’ under the ‘paragraph 59
    agreement’ will be the voluntary restitution of the full amount of tax
    chargeable on the earnings in the following situation:

    • for years which are outside normal assessing time limits but
    HMRC was not provided with sufficient information within the
    ordinary time limits to make determinations



    HMRC should have received full disclosure via tax returns and P11Ds so only years where they have assessed and protected their position will be in play.

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      Originally posted by malvolio View Post
      Because they are assuming that an non-repayable loan (or a continuously recycled one) means you can spend the money as though it was income? So in their eyes it is income and therefore tax is due on it and the apparent accumulation is because the loans repeat year on year and are never repaid, so in Year 3 you still have the benefit of the loans from years 1 and 2.


      I'm sure it's not that simple, but this is HMRC we're talking about.
      Surely even HMRC cannot have that much of a warped imagination!

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        Originally posted by LisaContractorUmbrella View Post
        You may find what you are looking for here: https://www.gov.uk/government/consul...-assets-abroad
        Thanks, will read in full later, on the off chance I can comprehend the legal-ese / tax-ese language in these docs. But scanning through, it looks like this is still a case of HMRC closing the stable door after our horses bolted. ie they've amended the law to allow them to charge tax retrospectively. Does that mean if I negotiate a better rate for my next contract I can charge all previous clients the new rate???? Seems perfectly fair to me.

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          Originally posted by K12AN View Post
          I'm looking at the 'Other Income' figure for the 2010-2011 tax year and it is astronomical!
          It looks like its the total loan amount for all the previous years combined.
          So in 2008-2009, I have a small(ish) figure.
          2009-2010 I have a large figure (as it looks like this is the loan amount for 2 years)
          2010-2011 I have a ridiculous figure (as it looks like its the total for all 3 tax years).

          Is anyone else seeing similar?

          Not sure whether I should ask for clarification on these figures in my appeal response.
          Any ideas?
          Oh yes, as per my first post,they do seem to be picking random figures from my P11D and there's no consistency in the 3 years assessments re-calcs..
          Have discussed this with various experts and received different advice:
          PCG tax line advised I write to HMRC to query and establish correct figures, my accountant says as I've appealed anyway that I don't owe anything, it's not necessary to get the figures correct at this time. He has concurred that the figures are wrong due to them still including the "benefits" figure, which is the benefit of having the loan, as well as including the value go the loan that year as income - they can't have it both ways!! Also they've used the total amount outstanding on my 10-11 assessment, again double taxing me on the previous years.
          Am wondering if they're just making the figures as scared as possible in the hope you contact them to correct and when they give you a lower figure you're so grateful you just pay up??!! Or am I giving them too much credit and they're just not able to use a calculator?

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            What is/was the correct means of a contractor disclosing their involvement in the arrangement? Was it DOTAS number and/or BiK noted on SA return, details of loans on P11D….or both/all of those….or...?

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              Originally posted by vern19 View Post
              Surely even HMRC cannot have that much of a warped imagination!
              You would think not, but people are (literally) betting the house on this, it's as well to try and understand the opposition's mindset.
              Blog? What blog...?

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                Originally posted by malvolio View Post
                You would think not, but people are (literally) betting the house on this, it's as well to try and understand the opposition's mindset.
                Agreed.

                Looks like we just lost a high profile FTT today

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                  Originally posted by vern19 View Post
                  Agreed.

                  Looks like we just lost a high profile FTT today
                  Any details on that at all? I can't find anything on the internet yet.

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                    Originally posted by vern19 View Post
                    Agreed.

                    Looks like we just lost a high profile FTT today
                    Really? Any links to read?

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                      JINX!


                      /sorry - couldn't help that/

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