HMRC enquiries for EBT schemes through SANZAR

[lumineer]

I have been with sanzar since 08/09 to 10/11
They are now Darwin & garraway
I have had letters stating HMRC believe they are not loans
I have been referred to contractor help desk who have very little info from ex sanzar, it looks like sanzar have done one appointed this help desk and Cobham to buy time
Cobham won't talk to us and the help desk have no knowledge so when he funds run out where does tis leave us with Cobham as its clear they represent sanzar as they are paying them.

Does anyone have any suggestions as I don't have the funds to pay for 3 years.

Please help

Thanks in advance

Wingkuen...are you still with Garraway now? Did Sanzar move you over to Garraway and are the same people involved as before?

Way back in 2008, we had assertions from Sanzar that they would defend us in any situations like this, and they were going to set up an insurance policy although I'm not sure if this ever happened or what the scope of it was. Did you get the same assertions from Garraway? I have tried contacting the folks that implemented the Sanzar scheme but without success. I think we're on our own here which is unfortunate since other Companies appear to be providing better support.

[Old Kent Road]

I'm not holding out on hearing from the ex-Sanzar directors, or any of their old staff, to support us. Any old promises are only just that now. Garraways said the reason Sanzar closed down was they had no "product" following the EBT rule changes. The most they are doing is referring us to Cobham Murphy, who are doing the low cost bulk appeals for us just now, probably with a view to some future bigger business with us.

When I asked Cobham Murphy on costs, they said something like the appeal letter is free, but any future fees due will be discussed/agreed in advance. So if HMRC vs Sanzar scheme user X does go to tribunal in future (which it may or may not), then my interpretation is that Cobham will want to be paid (naturally) - and this could be funded by the individual X, or by a group of scheme users since the outcome would affect everybody obviously.

The outcomes I see, in order of preference:
1. HMRC sits on this for months/years, decides the scheme is valid and not worth challenging (E.g. if their appeal against Rangers fails), and retracts the re-assessments.
2. HMRC investigate the scheme, challenges it at tribunal, Cobham Murhpy/other legal folks defend for us, we win the case
3. Ditto but HMRC win, and all the scheme users have to cough up.

or 4. you don't appeal, and cough up anyway to be done with it.

In any case, it's probably going to take ages, so if you have a big potential liability I would start putting money aside now, just in case.

[silverfox1967]

I'm not holding out on hearing from the ex-Sanzar directors, or any of their old staff, to support us. Any old promises are only just that now. Garraways said the reason Sanzar closed down was they had no "product" following the EBT rule changes. The most they are doing is referring us to Cobham Murphy, who are doing the low cost bulk appeals for us just now, probably with a view to some future bigger business with us.

When I asked Cobham Murphy on costs, they said something like the appeal letter is free, but any future fees due will be discussed/agreed in advance. So if HMRC vs Sanzar scheme user X does go to tribunal in future (which it may or may not), then my interpretation is that Cobham will want to be paid (naturally) - and this could be funded by the individual X, or by a group of scheme users since the outcome would affect everybody obviously.

The outcomes I see, in order of preference:
1. HMRC sits on this for months/years, decides the scheme is valid and not worth challenging (E.g. if their appeal against Rangers fails), and retracts the re-assessments.
2. HMRC investigate the scheme, challenges it at tribunal, Cobham Murhpy/other legal folks defend for us, we win the case
3. Ditto but HMRC win, and all the scheme users have to cough up.

or 4. you don't appeal, and cough up anyway to be done with it.

In any case, it's probably going to take ages, so if you have a big potential liability I would start putting money aside now, just in case.

OKR - Wisewords and this is my thinking...

[LandRover]

Legal Decisions can not be simply ignored.

http://www.cooperparry.com/sites/coo...FACTSHEET1.pdf

[Wingkuen]

Wingkuen...are you still with Garraway now? Did Sanzar move you over to Garraway and are the same people involved as before?

Way back in 2008, we had assertions from Sanzar that they would defend us in any situations like this, and they were going to set up an insurance policy although I'm not sure if this ever happened or what the scope of it was. Did you get the same assertions from Garraway? I have tried contacting the folks that implemented the Sanzar scheme but without success. I think we're on our own here which is unfortunate since other Companies appear to be providing better support.

I have rang garraway and tracked some of the people who worked at sanzar, they are the same for def. I am convinced. They have set up an insurance for what it's worthy of who knows, I agree looks like we are on our own, I have seeked advice and will challenge.
How far are you?
I just started my appeal as both Cobham and contractor help desk don't really offer any assurance I appointed someone independent to assist, I want to know my rights.
I jumped ship to another iom but now that all this came back in feb 2013 I have ditched that as of this month and gone to ltd. no doubt that the iom I switched to will come back to haunt me some point.

Feel free to pm if you have more info than me. This is all new to me and every info will be greatly appreciated. Thx

[Wingkuen]

Wingkuen...are you still with Garraway now? Did Sanzar move you over to Garraway and are the same people involved as before?

Way back in 2008, we had assertions from Sanzar that they would defend us in any situations like this, and they were going to set up an insurance policy although I'm not sure if this ever happened or what the scope of it was. Did you get the same assertions from Garraway? I have tried contacting the folks that implemented the Sanzar scheme but without success. I think we're on our own here which is unfortunate since other Companies appear to be providing better support.

Note sanzar switched to garraway as when they shut down they sent me a load of docs from garraway claiming they had changed the trading name in fact for a short while sanzar phones were diverting to garraway when you rang the old number so they are the same they may have changed directors but the people behind the rip merchants remains the same.

[Hazed]

Can i have pm permissions please

[Smokey]

So reading through the threads i see, the Sanzar people are to go through Cobham who have a high demand looking at other thread, would it be wise to seek tax advice from a specialist before i respond to the letter, i received it on Saturday for 08/09, dated last week so in essence i have 3 weeks to either appeal or cough up, and i am in no position to do the latter. Please could i have PM access, as i am aware this is a public forum

[Help]

Help

http://www.cooperparry.com/sites/coo...FACTSHEET1.pdf

Hi,

What happened to this desicion of below link

http://www.cooperparry.com/sites/coo...FACTSHEET1.pdf

Also, does this is any help to people with letter from HMRC for08/09. I received my letter on 25th Feb and very nervous

Thanks

[sanzartaxbill]

Tax bill

I have rang garraway and tracked some of the people who worked at sanzar, they are the same for def. I am convinced. They have set up an insurance for what it's worthy of who knows, I agree looks like we are on our own, I have seeked advice and will challenge.
How far are you?
I just started my appeal as both Cobham and contractor help desk don't really offer any assurance I appointed someone independent to assist, I want to know my rights.
I jumped ship to another iom but now that all this came back in feb 2013 I have ditched that as of this month and gone to ltd. no doubt that the iom I switched to will come back to haunt me some point.

Feel free to pm if you have more info than me. This is all new to me and every info will be greatly appreciated. Thx

Hi all
In the same boat as ya all' I got that HMRC letter as I worked for SANZAR 08/09 asking me to pay 40% tax on my Loan never heard of it before.
the plan seems like make a rule change, wait for the companies to close and chase people up for the money and make sure to give you a time limit and try and scare you to think you are the bad guy!
any way Guys I am here, please count me in if you decide of making a group and fighting against this , It is better if 100 people can chip in togather to incurr the costs, remember if they want us to give in for this then they are going to go after everyone who has ever worked using any type of scheme offshore!

Administrator please can you give me permission to PM.
thanks!