Just beat Jury Service!! Yayyy!!!

[original PM]

This is not true.

No he is correct and this was exactly what the thread was started for..

generally some people believe that Jury duty is something they should not have to do as it impinges on their abaility to earn money.

And from there the whole thread has a subtext of based on the fact that some people believe they are the centre of the universe and anything which is enforced on them is a impingment on their human rights

where as at the other side you have people who understand that to have an enlightened society each person must do his duty gladly in pursuit of a better society (Jury duty just being one example).

The fact is no one needs to own anything - however there are those of us who judge our worth by our goods and chattels and therefore fall short of being a truly modern human.






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[d000hg]

Best of luck with it.

I assume anyone entering his society gets a dictionary to explain the new meaning of everyday words.

[speling bee]

I assume anyone entering his society gets a dictionary to explain the new meaning of everyday words.

No need. The free market will sort it out because if they do not fall in with the natural and objective meaning of words, they will be unable to buy food or get a permit to use roads. Or if they wander onto somebody's wasteland, they will be subject to violence.

And that, my friend, is real liberty.

[SpontaneousOrder]

I assume anyone entering his society gets a dictionary to explain the new meaning of everyday words.

A standard dictionary will suffice:
3. power to influence, affect, or control; efficacious power: the force of circumstances; a force for law and order.

[speling bee]

A standard dictionary will suffice:
3. power to influence, affect, or control; efficacious power: the force of circumstances; a force for law and order.

So walking through your front garden and camping in your front garden are not violent.

violence: definition of violence in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)

violence
Line breaks: vio|lence
Pronunciation: /ˈvʌɪəl(ə)ns /
NOUN

[MASS NOUN]
1Behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something:
violence erupted in protest marches
domestic violence against women
the fear of physical violence
screen violence
MORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES
SYNONYMS
1.1 Law The unlawful exercise of physical force or intimidation by the exhibition of such force.
MORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES
2Strength of emotion or of a destructive natural force:
the violence of her own feelings

[SpontaneousOrder]

The fact is no one needs to own anything

I'm pretty sure you'd change your mind when there's not enough food to go around and someone comes to take what's in your pocket.

- however there are those of us who judge our worth by our goods and chattels and therefore fall short of being a truly modern human.

That sounds like the views of a particularly primitive human being to me. A modern & enlightened human being would understand that different people have different desires. And a modern & enlightened human being wouldn't be so self-absorbed & bigoted as to suppose that he has the right to force his own system of values upon other men who would prefer to mind their own business.

[speling bee]

I'm pretty sure you'd change your mind when there's not enough food to go around and someone comes to take what's in your pocket.



That sounds like the views of a particularly primitive human being to me. A modern & enlightened human being would understand that different people have different desires. And a modern & enlightened human being wouldn't be so self-absorbed & bigoted as to suppose that he has the right to force his own system of values upon other men who would prefer to mind their own business.

But you will agree that before there were property rights, humans existed.

[SpontaneousOrder]

So walking through your front garden and camping in your front garden are not violent.

violence: definition of violence in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)

Nice straw man, but I gave you the (a) definition of 'force'.

[darmstadt]

I did jury service many years ago and made a profit, got paid my salary plus claimed for it. Also got to see pictures of naked women as well on one of the cases, so a win win situation therefore stop looking on the negative side

[SpontaneousOrder]

But you will agree that before there were property rights, humans existed.

I suppose it depends. Humans qua man? certainly not. Humans being one step up from the missing link? It's arguable, although even a dog knows what is his food and what belongs to another - which territory is his pack's and which would be considered trespass.

A man must labour in order to create value in order to survive - if he didn't he would die and cease to be a man. In order to do so he must have some confidence that when he has finished labouring, the wealth he has created - the food he has harvested - will be available for him to make use of at some future time. For this reason the concept of property is instinctive. It is intrinsic to human nature, as much as some groups of people may try to obfuscate the concept.