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Originally posted by vetran View Postaverage: definition of average in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)
good: definition of good in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)
in a nutshell so are you.
I said it could happen if an improvement happened since the last figures were obtained.
The term good in this arena refers to the quality of the school not the achievement of the school.
I agreed it was a badly explained but wondered why spelling Bee is so fascinated and holds it up as a shining example of incompetence when its so obviously the questioner trying to be clever with words instead of doing something clever.
It's just a bit of fun, within the context of a thread which is about people thinking they are more clever than average. Nothing really to see, here, so move along please.The material prosperity of a nation is not an abiding possession; the deeds of its people are.
George Frederic Watts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postman's_ParkComment
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Originally posted by vetran View PostLast edited by doodab; 5 June 2014, 14:42.While you're waiting, read the free novel we sent you. It's a Spanish story about a guy named 'Manual.'Comment
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Originally posted by mudskipper View Postso behaving like a politician?
not sure why the teachers get so excited.
they really hate Gove.
Education reform: Gove battles the blob | The EconomistAlways forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Comment
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Originally posted by doodab View PostThe only reason I can see for you to think I am talking bollocks is because yours are hanging in your eyes and making it hard for you to read. The OED definition of average you've linked to says the average refers to one of a number of statistical properties of a set of data, which is exactly what I said it was. It's also quite explicit that the term expresses "the central or typical value in a set of data", meaning that for all the data in the set to be "above average" is clearly impossible unless one also redefines "central" to mean "at the end" and typical to mean "atypical".
if you have 7 values
1 3 3 4 3 5 21
the Modal value is
3
The median is
4
The mean is
5.71
so which average do you want mathematically speaking ?
Of course by using the mathematically speaking the questioner tried to limit it purely on the type of mathematical averages. Of which you can see there are many. I think you are fixating on mean.
But by bringing Good into it he then took it out of the pure maths arena (good isn't a maths term in general) and into the other definitions and the use of an adjective so the following example sentence from the definition covers it perfectly:
According to the survey, the quality of the average diet of Chinese people has improved significantly.
the left now see it as some sort of blinding light exposing his incompetence.
have you lost as well? you started the insults.Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Comment
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Originally posted by vetran View PostAverage - Mode, median or mean?
if you have 7 values
1 3 3 4 3 5 21
the Modal value is
3
The median is
4
The mean is
5.71
so which average do you want mathematically speaking ?
Of course by using the mathematically speaking the questioner tried to limit it purely on the type of mathematical averages. Of which you can see there are many. I think you are fixating on mean.
But by bringing Good into it he then took it out of the pure maths arena (good isn't a maths term in general) and into the other definitions and the use of an adjective so the following example sentence from the definition covers it perfectly:
the floor standard will go up from 2014 - primary schools where fewer than 65% of pupils achieve the expected level (level 4) in the 3 Rs, and which do not achieve above average progress in these subjects, will be below the floor.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/p...-and-standardsLast edited by doodab; 5 June 2014, 15:36.While you're waiting, read the free novel we sent you. It's a Spanish story about a guy named 'Manual.'Comment
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Originally posted by vetran View PostAverage - Mode, median or mean?
if you have 7 values
1 3 3 4 3 5 21
the Modal value is
3
The median is
4
The mean is
5.71
so which average do you want mathematically speaking ?
Of course by using the mathematically speaking the questioner tried to limit it purely on the type of mathematical averages. Of which you can see there are many. I think you are fixating on mean.
But by bringing Good into it he then took it out of the pure maths arena (good isn't a maths term in general) and into the other definitions and the use of an adjective so the following example sentence from the definition covers it perfectly:
it was a trick question and Gove did badly on it. Sort of thing a teacher loves to expose, frequently corrected by someone pointing out there are multiple answers to their perfect question like a bad joke with multiple punchlines.
the left now see it as some sort of blinding light exposing his incompetence.
have you lost as well? you started the insults.The material prosperity of a nation is not an abiding possession; the deeds of its people are.
George Frederic Watts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postman's_ParkComment
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Originally posted by OwlHoot View PostThey're probably mostly right - There are lots of ways of being intelligent, and of being stupid."Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark TwainComment
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Originally posted by doodab View PostIt doesn't matter because whichever you choose not all of the data in the set can be greater than the chosen definition.
As opposed to those well known non-mathematical averages?
It's the DoE who've decided that the standard to be met is to be "above average".
That is to say that schools are expected to be above average (specifically the median) on this measure. This is official government policy, not wordplay on behalf of the questioner. Now it might be that only those schools that fail on the exam results criteria are required to be above average on the progress indicator, but that doesn't seem to be the intent.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/p...-and-standards
2013 - mean attainment = 50%
school is inspected in 2014 has 51%
2014 - mean attainment is 52%
The adjective usage of average - Joe Average, average looking , average diet which are almost impossible to represent with maths and are subjective. Those ones.
the way I read the link is that if 65% of pupils fail to reach above average achievement then the school will be subject to attention.
the floor standard will go up from 2014 - primary schools where fewer than 65% of pupils achieve the expected level (level 4) in the 3 Rs, and which do not achieve above average progress in these subjects, will be below the floor. The current floor standard requires schools to have 60% of their pupils at level 4 or above in English and maths, plus the progress measuresPrimary schools which fall below the new 65% floor, and particularly those with a long history of underperformance, face being taken over by an academy sponsor. The expertise and strong leadership provided by sponsors is the best way to turn around weak schools and give pupils the best chance of a first-class education.
if you have 100 students and 65 are initially able to count to 100 and now can count to 151 that gives 51% progress compared to the rest of the country which shows 50% (they could count to 50 and can now can count to 75) and 35 students who can still only account to 10 and achieve 0% of improvement then its above the floor. The attainment of the other 35 students doesn't count. You are talking about a cut off point not an absolute.
You still have 65% above average and a school average of 33% dragged down by the 35 failures. The country average is based on the school average which includes the 0% scores.
not sure what is difficult with that?Last edited by vetran; 5 June 2014, 17:07.Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Comment
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Originally posted by speling bee View PostWhat do you think is the causal relationship between losing an argument and insulting an opponent in an argument?Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Comment
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