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Ed Miliband accused of 'socialism'
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Originally posted by d000hg View PostAs a firm capitalist, which things do you think should be run by the state out of interest DA? I assume you would agree some services don't really fit a capitalist model?Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyoneComment
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Originally posted by SpontaneousOrder View PostRegulation tends to have the exact opposite of the desired effect. Not always, but almost always.
It should work like Formula 1. The governing body have a raft of strict regulations, and the teams do their best to compete within the regulations. Sometimes they bend the regulations and everybody starts accusing everybody else of cheating and it all gets very political, but that's part of the process.
It means, for example, teams aren't tempted to cut corners on safety to make the cars faster as the FIA takes responsibility for dictating safety rules. Just like the regulators should take responsibility to ensure the entire banking system doesn't collapse rather than trying to pin it on the banks being immoral.
The real problem is the populist idea that socialists spread of "how dare they make a profit", like somehow anyone is going to invest billions in UK infrastructure just for the good of society. If everybody would just get over it; if everybody would just accept that capitalism is the only way that works, then we can probably move on. Maybe even the NHS can be made to work.Will work inside IR35. Or for food.Comment
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Originally posted by VectraMan View PostBetter than big state controlled industries though. In all this talk of "privatisation of the railways isn't working", every seems to have forgotten that before privatisation, British Rail was a national joke.
It should work like Formula 1. The governing body have a raft of strict regulations, and the teams do their best to compete within the regulations. Sometimes they bend the regulations and everybody starts accusing everybody else of cheating and it all gets very political, but that's part of the process.“Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.”Comment
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Originally posted by darmstadt View PostSo exactly who would be this governing body? The goverment? Surely when they privatised the railways and other industries they did put in regulations but as the companies couldn't adhere to them, then they slowly but surely got changed and politicians got a new job after the election. That worked! Each of these industries that have been privatised does have a 'governing' body, Office of Rail Regulation, OFCOM, etc. or should the governing body also be a private company comprising of people from the industry? If so, then why don't you just privatise government and do away with the middleman?Will work inside IR35. Or for food.Comment
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Originally posted by VectraMan View PostBetter than big state controlled industries though. In all this talk of "privatisation of the railways isn't working", every seems to have forgotten that before privatisation, British Rail was a national joke.
Network Rail has actually now been nationalised (1) and this status has been backdated to 2004 so surely as a nationalised industry it should in fact be buying British. In fact have a look at Tracksure, a really rather good British product used in many foreign railways, which London Underground estimate will save them 300,000 a year yet Network Rail have dismissed out of hand.
I sometimes think that privatisation doesn't always work, primarily because the initial consultations, offerings, etc. seem to be controlled by businesses who have a vested interest (see Royal Mail.)
Next up for privatisation is the GPSS (Government Pipeline and Storage System) which the strategic oil supply network which supplies key military bases and airports such as Heathrow and Gatwick. Lets see how that one pnas out
(1)NETWORK RAIL will become a public sector body during the coming year, following a reclassification of the company's status by the Office for National Statistics. The present company was set up in late 2001 to take over from Railtrack, but although NR had no shareholders it was said to be in the private sector.
The change in its status will place its current debt of some £30 billion into the public accounts for the first time. Network Rail said the change was a largely technical matter and would not affect its governance, structure or investment plans.
Network Rail will be now be formally classified as a 'central government body in the public sector', and the company admitted that some 'small changes' will be inevitable. There is also now a question mark over how the organisation will raise funding for future investment in the longer term.
Another point of some dispute is whether the change represents actual nationalisation. The dictionary definition of the word is 'government ownership', but the DfT has maintained that the term is inappropriate in this case, although it has not explained why.“Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.”Comment
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Originally posted by BrilloPad View PostEd Miliband accused of 'socialism' as he suggests re-nationalising railways - Telegraph
How disgraceful for a Labour person to be a socialist.
Perhaps they'll try for a coalition with the Liberals, after all they have David WardSocialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the abject worship of the state.
No Socialist Government conducting the entire life and industry of the country could afford to allow free, sharp, or violently-worded expressions of public discontent.Comment
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