UKIP Vs Good Old fashioned self interest

[DodgyAgent]

Nonsense, you are avoiding the question.

You have shifted my argument that suggests IT contractors are anti UKIP for reasons of self interest. I supported the point by suggesting that UKIP supporters were made up largely of people with similar attitudes and lifestyles as IT contractors. I made the point also that you guys enrich yourselves thanks a great deal to EU policies.

Instead of responding to my point you have decided to turn the thread into an argument about whether I believe individualism is an entitlement.

[SpontaneousOrder]

T but I suspect that you'd struggle to name 100 out of the 17000 that you claim to be here.

Eh? i didn't claim that there were 17000 here. you did.

[TheFaQQer]

Eh? i didn't claim that there were 17000 here. you did.

You claimed percentages - 99.9% in fact:

I've found it very surprising too that 99.9% (that means, for the benefit of spelling bee, something like 'almost entirely' - like when your mum tells you that she almost entirely doesn't wish you had been just a trapped fart) of contractors here are raving socialists and wannabe despots.

I used the site statistics to point out that with 17126 members, that would mean that if your 99.9% figure is correct, CUK has over 17000 members who are "raving socialists and wannabe despots."

So, name 100 of them. That should be fairly easy, unless your 99.9% figure is bilge.

[doodab]

You have shifted my argument that suggests IT contractors are anti UKIP for reasons of self interest. I supported the point by suggesting that UKIP supporters were made up largely of people with similar attitudes and lifestyles as IT contractors. I made the point also that you guys enrich yourselves thanks a great deal to EU policies.

Your suggestion is just conjecture and isn't supported by facts. The reality is that the party itself seems to be composed largely of those from a background of privilege, and their typical supporter is an older ex tory voter with below average qualifications and income. They are typically worse off than Labour voters. I'd hazard a guess that this lack of economic success is part of the reason they feel disenfranchised by the Tories and are willing to look at the EU as someone other than themselves to blame for their predicament.

As that doesn't really chime with a belief "in the concept of self determination and personal responsibility" (which I think you'll find those of us who grew up on council estates and fought their way out share to a larger degree than you realise) I'd suggest that you and the pro UKIP contractors on here are in fact rather atypical UKIP supporters. From what I've seen the primary motivation for supporting them seems to be that they aren't the Tories, Labour or Lib Dems rather than any agreement with their policies, which are largely non-existent on a domestic level.

How UKIP voters compare

Demographically, UKIP voters attract men slightly more than women – and the party draws its support disproportionately from older people with fewer qualifications. Whereas 46% of all voters are over 50, and 38% under 40, the figures for UKIP are 71% and 15% respectively. And just 13% of UKIP supporters have university degrees – half the national average (though this partly reflects the age profile: older people generally were less likely to attend university when they were young).

UKIP voters are less likely than voters generally, and far less likely than Conservative voters, to be above-average earners. 23% of UKIP supporters live in households whose total income exceeds £40,000, compared with 38% of Tories and 28% of Labour voters.

[DodgyAgent]

Your suggestion is just conjecture and isn't supported by facts. The reality is that the party itself seems to be composed largely of those from a background of privilege, and their typical supporter is an older ex tory voter with below average qualifications and income. They are typically worse off than Labour voters. I'd hazard a guess that this lack of economic success is part of the reason they feel disenfranchised by the Tories and are willing to look at the EU as someone other than themselves to blame for their predicament.

As that doesn't really chime with a belief "in the concept of self determination and personal responsibility" (which I think you'll find those of us who grew up on council estates and fought their way out share to a larger degree than you realise) I'd suggest that you and the pro UKIP contractors on here are in fact rather atypical UKIP supporters. From what I've seen the primary motivation for supporting them seems to be that they aren't the Tories, Labour or Lib Dems rather than any agreement with their policies, which are largely non-existent on a domestic level.

How UKIP voters compare

Well argued

I would imagine that many of those that work for large corporates and other establishment organisations are not going to be UKIP supporters. Large corporates have a vested interest in keeping the UK in the EU as they can approve and lobby for ever more red tape to keep small and new companies away from their markets.They are hardly the extreme right wing of the Tory party.
Quite where you get the idea that its members are "privileged" I don't know.
Anecdotal I know but most of my friends run small businesses and though they do not want out of the EU they do want the powers pulled back.

Only this morning my daughter missed her bus for school because it did not turn up. The problem was that an EU law has just been implemented restricting the number of children that can be carried on a bus. Instead the bus company have to use 2 buses and the driver of one of them did not turn up. I have submitted a CV of a Bulgarian driver so this EU thing is not so bad after all.

[doodab]

Anecdotal I know but most of my friends run small businesses and though they do not want out of the EU they do want the powers pulled back.

As do Mich and I. The difference is that having seen exactly the same EU laws as we have here implemented in other countries we can see that by far the larger part of the problem is down to how our national government has chosen to implement many EU directives. I also see many things that aren't subject to EU legislation AFAIK getting royally ****ed up.

Leaving the EU won't get rid of the ****wits in charge of Britain it will just give them more scope to **** things up.

The fundamental problem is that the things we need (reform of the tax system, real expert led reform and less political meddling in education and healthcare, and urgent action to tackle both the housing crisis and the demographic timebomb of state pensions) simply aren't on the table because no one will vote for them. Ultimately that's a problem with democracy and to that end a bit of undemocratic forced medicine taking (which will eventually come, painfully and expensively at the hands of the financial markets) is the only thing that will work.

[SpontaneousOrder]

You claimed percentages - 99.9% in fact:



I used the site statistics to point out that with 17126 members, that would mean that if your 99.9% figure is correct, CUK has over 17000 members who are "raving socialists and wannabe despots."

So, name 100 of them. That should be fairly easy, unless your 99.9% figure is bilge.

You were clearly dropped as a baby too. right?

Anyway, here you go:

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earner
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earnhomes
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eastfifearabman
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east_of_the_sun
Easy
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EasyTyler
eazy
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Ebbers
ebiz2012
ebonyman
EbrsaRynleot
EBTContractor
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EC4N
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EchoSierra
Ecommguy
ecs
Ecto10
Ecurrexchang
Ed Ballz
Ed Winchester
EDC
Eddie
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eddie46
EddieC
EddieNambulous
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EdIT
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Edna Piek
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[TheFaQQer]

You were clearly dropped as a baby too. right?

Anyway, here you go:

And your basis for them being raving socialists and wannabe despots is what, exactly?

[Mich the Tester]

I made the point also that you guys enrich yourselves thanks a great deal to EU policies.

Yes! As do many other people; it's called a free market, you should try it someday!

[Mich the Tester]

Only this morning my daughter missed her bus for school because it did not turn up. The problem was that (somebody told you that) an EU law has just been implemented restricting the number of children that can be carried on a bus. Instead the bus company have to use 2 buses and the driver of one of them did not turn up. I have submitted a CV of a Bulgarian driver so this EU thing is not so bad after all.

This supposed EU law does not seem to be preventing kids from getting to school in the Netherlands, Germany, Belgium, Portugal, Spain, and so on.