The Climate Change Racket

[NotAllThere]

Lee Smolin has an interesting take on climate change. Whether it's man-made or not, whether it's happening or not, there are many things that can trigger climate change, which would have a drastic affect on us and the planet. And sooner or later it is going to happen.

We should be using the current political atmosphere to research into how we can control climate - so that should the sun get a bit warmer, or a super-volcano go bang etc. etc., we'll have the technology to deal with it.

[pjclarke]

They now think that the number of species under threat from climate change was greatly exagerated, and the number might be quite low.

Was reading yesterday that the IPCC have made a dramatic U-Turn on bio-fuel.
They now think its not a good idea to turn food into ethanol and that the environmental harm is actually much worse if it is done.

Links? Give us the original press releases, or other source material and I might summon up the energy for a response. The track record for half-truths, untruths and spin is pretty off-putting, otherwise: DDT being a prime example.

Certainly in the States at least, bio-ethanol was enthusiastically championed by Geroge Bush, not known as a greenie and his friends in Big Oil who built the refineries, and Big Ag who grew the corn that benefitted from the resulting subsidies and price inflation. Meanwhile, a decade ago Green campaigners were warning of the risks,

Feeding Cars, Not People | George Monbiot

[EternalOptimist]

ten years ago ? wow. what about before then, when it was the greatest thing since sliced bread and you couldnt get enough of it ?

very selective memories these eco-fascists

[pjclarke]

No links then. Just argument by assertion.

[DodgyAgent]

Links? Give us the original press releases, or other source material and I might summon up the energy for a response. The track record for half-truths, untruths and spin is pretty off-putting, otherwise: DDT being a prime example.

Certainly in the States at least, bio-ethanol was enthusiastically championed by Geroge Bush, not known as a greenie and his friends in Big Oil who built the refineries, and Big Ag who grew the corn that benefitted from the resulting subsidies and price inflation. Meanwhile, a decade ago Green campaigners were warning of the risks,

Feeding Cars, Not People | George Monbiot

Was it this George Monbiot

George Monbiot, 2006: Our Rivers Will Run Dry - Guy Fawkes' blog

[mos]

No links then. Just argument by assertion.

Is that good enough?
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[Bunk]

No links then. Just argument by assertion.

Not everyone has a ready prepared list of links to draw from when anyone dares disagrees with them.

[pjclarke]

Tee-Hee. Monbiot predicted that our rivers wouldrun dry and now we have record floods. What an ass. Snigger.

Except of course he didn't. He was writing about the global water supply, and as usual accurately.

In China, 100 million people live on crops grown with underground water that is not being refilled: water tables are falling fast all over the North China plain. Many more rely on the Huang He (the Yellow River), which already appears to be drying up as a result of abstraction and possibly climate change. Ninety percent of the crops in Pakistan are watered by irrigation from the Indus. Almost all the river’s water is already diverted into the fields – it often fails now to reach the sea. The Ogallala aquifer which lies under the western and south western United States, and which has fed much of the world, has fallen by 30 metres in many places. It now produces half as much water as it did in the 1970s.

Even the headline was probably not his, Monbiot generally publishes articles simultaneously at the Guardian and on his own website, with references. The version on monbiot.com had a different headline:

The Water Boom Is Over | George Monbiot

So Guido was sneering at a headline probably written by a Guardian sub editor. Pathetic, but if that's all you've got ....

[EternalOptimist]

Monbiot is an idiot, we all know that. He was the guy who hated emissions so much that he said that anyone who flew in a plane was guilty of child abuse.
Then next year he flew to new York for some awards ceremony. typical eco-fascist 'do as i say, not as i do'

The whole debate about climate change has been wrong from the start. The climate has always changed and it always will. We need to be better at adapting to it and making ourselves more resiliant.
Trying to mitigate it or control it is a pipe dream

[Old Greg]

Monbiot is an idiot, we all know that. He was the guy who hated emissions so much that he said that anyone who flew in a plane was guilty of child abuse.
Then next year he flew to new York for some awards ceremony. typical eco-fascist 'do as i say, not as i do'

The whole debate about climate change has been wrong from the start. The climate has always changed and it always will. We need to be better at adapting to it and making ourselves more resiliant.
Trying to mitigate it or control it is a pipe dream

Did he say that anyone who flew in a plane was guilty of child abuse or that flying across the Atlantic was as unacceptable as child abuse?