Love Britain: vote UKIP or BNP?

[SpontaneousOrder]

'extreme' or 'extremist' are worthless words - they mean nothing. I know you know that, but I just had to show my distaste as you can't watch the news for more than 10 minutes without hearing the word.

It's funny how many supposed Ayn Rand acolytes there are running about government who would be villains in her books I don't know too much about Rand (Paul) anymore, but I saw a couple of video clips that put me off.

I think his dad is awesome, except that his religion is a huge disappointment to me. It doesn't change the fact that he's right, but it's always nice to indulge in a little bit of legitimate hero worship I think

[Zero Liability]

Yes, Paul Jr has been "designed" so as to pander to those of milder sensibilities, and I am also not too impressed on some of his positions re the US warfare state, but I guess by US standards this already suffices to make him borderline heretical; I think he understands (or is more willing to play) the political game better than his father. I have immense respect for his Paul Snr. It's always amusing to see the heckling he gets by bimbos whose lifetime achievements consist of reading off scripts on a teleprompter, be they politicians or media vultures. The fact that he actually goes out of his way to help people rather than insisting others "should" is also worthy of respect.

AFAIC, those running the govt at present are the 'extremists'. Extremely delusional, extremely selfish, extremely power-hungry and extremely debt-addicted.

[SpontaneousOrder]

My fave RP appearance (plus some lezzer robot action): The Economy: Ron Paul vs Zeitgeist [RAP NEWS 9] - YouTube

[darmstadt]

BBC News - Farage: Migration has made parts of UK 'unrecognisable'

Point made.

Has he ever been to the south of Spain, I suspect that the Spanish feel the same way

[kaiser78]

Stupid.

The term 'right wing' also is meaningless when used in this way. The BNP - like most fascists - do not like capitalism and certainly not globalisation. Thus they're by no means on the economic right wing. Now, they're certainly on the right-wing of the authoritarian scale, but when many leftists share their disdain of the masses (as in: believe they're too stupid to run their own lives without intervention from mummy state), I fail to see what distinction this really brings about. The only disagreement is in terms of what aspects of one's life should be controlled by and subordinate to the government and the collective it represents. This has nothing to do with UKIP's own social policy.

UKIP support the introduction of work permits as a means to curtail migration. They believe immigration puts an unnecessary strain on public resources. Right or wrong, this is nowhere near to being on par with the views of the BNP, and is something both the Tories and Labour are now aping, because they know it's an electoral hot button. I guess they're a bit traditionalist on marriage too. That's about it.

UKIP is a vaguely libertarian party, a bit like the liberal party of old, when it still had a classical liberal bias to it. I don't agree with UKIP on tax avoidance and tax havens, either, but then I take a much dimmer view of the way governments conduct themselves than most. Even if UKIP isn't as libertarian as I would like it to be, it may give the Tories a viable option to partner with, assuming they genuinely want to rein in the size of the government, by a significant scope, as the lib-dems are far too tepid for this.

IYHO of course...

[petergriffin]

Rubbish.

The loony lefties and the EU will force you to sort it in 55 different containers!

[darmstadt]

Some info...

BNP: The BNP want to “stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases”.
UKIP: UKIP want “an immediate five-year freeze on immigration for permanent settlement”. They say that “any future immigration should not exceed 50,000 per annum”

Both parties would reject asylum-seekers who had passed a “safe” country on their way to the UK. To aid this, they would both withdraw from the UN Convention on Refugees.

UKIP insist that “a significant proportion of immigrants and their descendents in Britain are neither assimilating nor integrating into British society”. They say that “UKIP opposes multiculturalism and political correctness, and promotes uniculturalism - aiming to create a single British culture embracing all races and religions”.

Despite their reference to all religions, UKIP wish to ban the niqab (Muslim full face veil) in certain private buildings as well as in public. Their position is more extreme than the BNP, who want a public ban only.

UKIP does not show the same blatant racism as the BNP, who refuse to admit that any non-white person is “ethnically British”. Until very recently the BNP spoke of ending “non-white immigration”. This seems to have been re-worded, perhaps partly because Polish immigrants are mostly white, but also as part of their feeble attempts to appear less racist.

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UKIP wants schools to “teach about Britain's contribution to the world, such as British inventions, promoting democracy and the rule of law and the role of Britain in fighting slavery and Nazism”.

BNP believes that schools should “instil in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain”

Neither party suggests that there might be anything negative in Britain’s history.

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UKIP describe themselves as “the first party to take a sceptical stance on man-made global warming claims”. This is odd, because the BNP “firmly rejects the ‘climate change’ dogma”.

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Both parties would repeal the Human Rights Act. UKIP promise “forthright law and order policies” from “a government with the will to punish”. The BNP also “seeks a return to traditional standards of law enforcement”. But they almost sound more moderate than UKIP when they add that this would be “combined with social reform directed at addressing the root causes of criminal behaviour”. On the other hand, the BNP back capital and corporal punishment, whereas UKIP would restrict themselves to introducing “boot camps for young offenders”.

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Both favour “workfare”, obliging people to work for benefits.

BNP call for re-nationalisation of key industries,

UKIP clearly want to help the richest members of society, promising to scrap the top tax rate and all inheritance tax.

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On military and defence issues, they share the same militaristic outlook, but differ on specific policies.

UKIP prioritised their demand for a 40 per cent increase in military spending.

The BNP want to reintroduce “national service” (with a civilian option). But unlike UKIP, they would withdraw from Afghanistan and NATO. It seems that UKIP is far more pro-US.

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Those of us who detest what the BNP stands for need to remember that far-right views are promoted well outside the BNP’s own membership – in UKIP, on the right of the Tory Party, in the pages of the Daily Mail.

[mos]

UKIP are by far more 'moderate'. I think their 'extreme' (really, anything that 'offends' the oh-so-PC rarefied BBC crowd that refuses to depart from received doctrine on a number of issues) language suggests otherwise but really, they are only swinging back British politics mildly back onto the road of sanity, which shows how far gone it is.

UKiP targets Polish mothers and children because Brits are apparently bothered by their very existence, while BNP (which I despise, btw) coincidentally targeted Muslim gangs grooming and prostituting British children. If that is the road of sanity, I prefer to stay insane.

No sale!

[doodab]

UKiP targets Polish mothers and children because Brits are apparently bothered by their very existence, while BNP (which I despise, btw) coincidentally targeted Muslim gangs grooming and prostituting British children. If that is the road of sanity, I prefer to stay insane.

No sale!

UKIP and others target EU immigration because the UK currently has no control over it. The rest of the world we can do something about already.

[mos]

Has he ever been to the south of Spain, I suspect that the Spanish feel the same way

Yep, we feel the same way about all the foreign shops. I cannot recognise my country anymore.