Well Done Denmark

[hyperD]

Sorry to pollute a thread on General...

I doubt you are with an overwhelming urge to proffer your propaganda from such bodies sponsored by the European Climate Foundation.

Anyway, back to the OP's point of wondering why you never hear of charities speaking out against seemingly contradictory behaviour.

Answer: Because of funding.

From the RSPB's beak itself:

Switching to renewable energy now, rather than in ten or twenty years, is essential if we are to stabilise greenhouse gases in the atmosphere at safe levels. Wind power is the most advanced renewable technology, available at a large scale, over this time period. For this reason, the RSPB supports a significant growth in offshore and onshore wind power generation in the UK.

Cognitive dissonance in action but I guess when you are back in monitoring mode we'll get another bellyful of link pornage from your favourite CAGW sites...

[pjclarke]

Even discounting AGW, wind power is better for birds cos it replaces fossil fuel generation. On a deaths / GWh basis Fossils are far worse. 0.269 for wind, 5.2 for fossils. The RSPB has it exactly right.

Source Sovacool et al 2013. The avian benefits of wind energy: A 2009 update

Cognitive dissonance is the inevitable consequece of treating anything Delingtool writes as anything but utterly unreliable. But thanks for the contructive feedback.

[d000hg]

for the record, I'm not racist in any shape or form. all humans are equal. however, I strongly object to any mistreatment of animals. animals also have a desire for happiness and indeed I never intentionally kill even flies - bad karma.

You were doing so well, then had to go and discredit yourself.

[Gittins Gal]

for the record, I'm not racist in any shape or form. all humans are equal. however, I strongly object to any mistreatment of animals. animals also have a desire for happiness and indeed I never intentionally kill even flies - bad karma.

I generally open the windows and chase flies out rather than kill them.

I am also the chief "putter of spiders outside" in our house.

Do you know, OR, that I'm staying in a woodland loggia in the New Forest Mon-Fri. I seem to share it with a lot of ladybirds - I think they are hibernating in the waney edge and when I come home in the evening and put the heating on, they come inside to get nice and toasty!

[oscarose]

I generally open the windows and chase flies out rather than kill them.

I am also the chief "putter of spiders outside" in our house.

Do you know, OR, that I'm staying in a woodland loggia in the New Forest Mon-Fri. I seem to share it with a lot of ladybirds - I think they are hibernating in the waney edge and when I come home in the evening and put the heating on, they come inside to get nice and toasty!

Good work Gal, always best not to kill I think.

Sounds ideal. Try not to step on any!

[Mich the Tester]

Major FAIL on the poll: no AndyW option. <tuts & shakes head>

WHS

[d000hg]

I like ladybirds. They eat the aphids on my strawberry plants so I don't have to. Does that absolve me of murdering hundreds of aphids, or put the ladybirds in the role of SS officers to my Hitler?

[Gittins Gal]

I like ladybirds. They eat the aphids on my strawberry plants so I don't have to. Does that absolve me of murdering hundreds of aphids, or put the ladybirds in the role of SS officers to my Hitler?

I'm all for predatory pest control.

No nasty chemicals that harm the birds & other wildlife.

Trickiest ones to deal with are slugs and snails.

I've used barrier gel on pot plants with some measure of success but with the amount of rain we get I'm out there every 5 minutes reapplying it.

Best thing is to hope for a nice dry summer as they'll all stay put under their stones

[doodab]

I'm all for predatory pest control.

Do children count?

[hyperD]

wind power is better for birds cos it replaces fossil fuel generation.

No it doesn't. Power stations aren't decommissioned because of windfarms. At best there's some temporary turndown, at worse there's the inefficient STOR backup. And anyway, FF generation isn't the impact on bird fatality, wind farm construction is. As is the additional construction of (normally) long distance power transmission lines, which after cats, is the biggest bird killer. Then you've got the construction of these windmills which add to the bird kill total, let alone the digging of huge thousands of tonnes of concrete bases that destroys habitat.

On a deaths / GWh basis Fossils are far worse. 0.269 for wind, 5.2 for fossils. The RSPB has it exactly right.

Source Sovacool et al 2013. The avian benefits of wind energy: A 2009 update

Did you read the report? Or did you just type frantically in your Big Green Rebuttal Machine and cut 'n' paste an abstract? If you read the report you would have seen that the only difference between the construction of windfarms and the damaging infrastructure and power stations was the reference to the boogie man green house gases, SOx/NOx, cooling water reservoirs (BP engage in environmental concerns and have sulphur consuming bacteria in their waste water (Sullom Voe for example) which renders the water harmless) etc etc

whereas transmission line killing is shared. So there we have it: adding windfarms adds unnecessary additional kills.

But thanks for the contructive feedback.

Well, I know since Climategate (bit of Dellers link porn to get you frothing) and his plethora of books (See?!?!? More link porn) has got you in full snark mode, he's just like any other fecking useless journalist or Bob Ward wannabe and so to be honest, it's actually quite entertaining you ad hom like crazy whenever he's mentioned.

And just to remind you once again on the original question and not be blinded by the minutiae of pro-CAGW science: funding. Oh, and I know you've said you are not interested in it: politics.