The Labour party illegaly trading?

[BoredBloke]

Zathras - I say that it was time for them to be ousted because it was. They had become unelectable and NL tapped into that vein. Unfortunately they proved that they were so much worse on every front. I had hoped that one NL term to screw things up a little and it would be business as usual. Unfortunately the media didn't agree and helped massively to keep Blair and co in power.

What I can't understand is why the Tories have let NL take the high ground on the economy, something which they built. The problems the we and the Tories faced in the 80's was old labours making. Only the likes of Benn0 argue that point. But then he would argue black was white if Labour told him.

[AlfredJPruffock]

Bloody hell that was a quick reply AtW - you don't hang around for long ay ?

Like I said before I'm far from persuaded the Tories would have done the same. They would have seen there was not the evidence to justify invading Iraq. It wouldn't have created too much of a rift with the US because the 2 countries were already military partners in Afghanistan.

I think too the Tories would have been much more far sighted in seeing the broader picture in that Saddam was 'more on side than off' in the fight against Islamic nutters.

I agree, in fact Thatcher lamblasted Blair for going to War with Iraq on the lack of credible evidence.

And dont forget that Wilson refused to get the UK involved in the Vietnam War.

The Vainglorius Blair decsion to join the US in the Iraq war was due partly to his reckless careering ambition.

His concern was about was pleasing the US administration to get those post PM US college tour contracts.

What a disgusting character.

[Phoenix]

And don't forget the Belgrano!

Opps! Wrong PM

[oraclesmith]

I seem to remember that there was very little dissent when we sent troops out to the Falklands in 82, because it was a regular military engagement. The problem now is that we have got ourselves embroiled in what could easily be taken to be a religious or at least idealogical war. If the US and UK governments were lead by people without a religious drum to bang, things would be different.

[AlfredJPruffock]

Apparently Bliar has involved us in more wars etc. that any PM in living memory... I suspect it gives him a hard on.

Im sure the pseudo Christian Blair has read the words of the Profit Alf ...

He who lives by the sword shall enjoy lucrative college circuit tours ...

Update on War on Terror from the BBC

Iran's influence in the Middle East has been heightened by the US "war on terror", according to a report.

The Chatham House think-tank study said the US had eliminated regimes in Iraq and Afghanistan but failed to replace them with stable political structures.

Recent conflicts involving Israel in Lebanon and Gaza have added to instability, the report continued.

Iran has now superseded the US as the most influential power in the Middle East, it concluded.

Another fine mess Mr Blair !!!

[Phoenix]

I seem to remember that there was very little dissent when we sent troops out to the Falklands in 82, because it was a regular military engagement. The problem now is that we have got ourselves embroiled in what could easily be taken to be a religious or at least idealogical war. If the US and UK governments were lead by people without a religious drum to bang, things would be different.

How soon you forget! People were threatening to avoid the draught..If it came in...no one thought that the task force would fire a shot!...how little they knew the determination of the British Government over a small group of Islands...........

[zathras]

Zathras - I say that it was time for them to be ousted because it was.

Still have n't answered the question. Major had a margin of about 9 in the HoC when in power and that made his government easy meat for the press which whipped up hysteria over sleaze which amounted in most cases to sexual nature. His back to basic programme was underminded by that.

Equally it was difficult for him to get anything through for the same reason.

Most people when asked who they would vote and why at the time said it was 'time to let the other lot have a go'. Those of us who remembered the last labour government begged them not to do it, but put there cross next to the Labour candidate. Funny thing is a lot of them are now saying that we were correct and they wish they had n't done it. Some life long Labour voters are deserting Labour because it no longer represents their wishes. Perhaps the next election will see the end of the New Labour experiment and Labour will go back to a more traditional socialist model in which case we will be able to tell the difference. New Labour does not seem to have any underlying ideology which is why they are lambasting tory policies and a few months later announcing them as New Labour policy! Fact is they are pretty useless at implementation as well, so what you end up with is a bigger disaster. PFI is a classic example. They go in with such a piss poor knowledge of business that the private companies run rings around them on t & c's and it ends up costing a lot more than it would have done had the whole thing been financed from the public purse - and our grandchildren will be paying for it!


The thing is it's going to take any Conservative administration a full parliament to undo the damage done to the economy by the Gordon and Tony show.

[AtW]

From time to time any ruling part should be thrown into the gutters so that they knew who they owe being in power.

[hyperD]

Not unless they are fully accountable for their own actions. Which they, and most certainly shown by this lot, are not.

[stackpole]

The thing is it's going to take any Conservative administration a full parliament to undo the damage done to the economy by the Gordon and Tony show.

Only one full parliament?

As I understand it the whole economy is propped up by gigantic and increasing personal debt. That hasn't been the case before!