Michael Gove to double spending per pupil in state schools

[d000hg]

Can't believe you're falling for DA's bait on this one. He dangles the "do a proper day's work" worm every time teachers are mentioned.

[DirtyDog]

There you have it. Parental choice and free market pay scales

And significantly more money.

[doodab]

Can't believe you're falling for DA's bait on this one. He dangles the "do a proper day's work" worm every time teachers are mentioned.

Which would be amusing if a proper days work wasn't something he's heard about but never seen.

[SpontaneousOrder]

So why are independent schools so much better than state schools?

Because businesses are are driven by profit, and maximum performance for minimum cost maximises profits.
State schools aren't businesses and don' t have the benefit of a price mechanism - consequently it's funded and run by people that think education is some kind of right, and who also think that that right should not be paid for. Quite where they think provision of that 'right' will come from if they're not willing to pay for it, I'm not sure.

[DodgyAgent]

3 good solid reasons:

1) Lower classes sizes. Can range from 18-22 per class. State schools sometimes have 33-34 in them. If you have a 1 hour lesson with 33 kids you cannot even spend 2 mins with each one. Some are going to get nothing out of it. Especially if they are smart but just happen to be slow learners.

2) Resources. 1 computer between 2 max in private, in state its more like 1 between 4. Some state schools have swimming pools and nice playgrounds. Most do not. Yet with private it's the other way around of course.

3) Filtering.If your summer born, forget it. They like winter born kids as then they can have 9 months development head start on the others. Not forgetting the assessments. Oh yes even though you pay you must still be assessed if your child is good enough. Get past all that, then you have to maintain it. Otherwise they ask you after some warnings to leave. Yes they can kick your kids out. You see they do not want anyone unless they are good already. They want the easy kids and anyone will tell you, its easy to get the best from the best no?

Also the reason the religious schools within state sector are better is also 2). You do realise that there is an expectation within good state schools to bung em a few extra hundred each term right? You did not know that?

Think when one school is having a school fete to raise money for a new roof and the other already has the new roof and is having their fete for a set of new computers, then you know which one is really ahead. Few hundred here and there can make all the difference.

BTW:
All this has been known since the 60's, it's nothing new.

OK so why are some state schools very good (I do not include grammar schools in this)?

[SueEllen]

OK so why are some state schools very good (I do not include grammar schools in this)?

Middle class and immigrant parents from the "right" backgrounds.

If your school is full only of White working class or the benefit classes forget it.

Take a drive to poorer areas and notice who has academies if you don't know any teachers or ex-teachers.

[DodgyAgent]

Middle class and immigrant parents from the "right" backgrounds.

If your school is full only of White working class or the benefit classes forget it.

Take a drive to poorer areas and notice who has academies if you don't know any teachers or ex-teachers.

Really?

Outstanding schools in deprived areas: get the list | News | theguardian.com

[CheeseSlice]

Because businesses are are driven by profit, and maximum performance for minimum cost maximises profits.
State schools aren't businesses and don' t have the benefit of a price mechanism - consequently it's funded and run by people that think education is some kind of right, and who also think that that right should not be paid for. Quite where they think provision of that 'right' will come from if they're not willing to pay for it, I'm not sure.

Would you really like to live in a country where only those who can afford to pay for education can send their children to school?

Its a two way street I'm afraid if you want to live in a safe and civilised society. Take education away from children whose parents are broke (or have no parents) and they'll grow up into poverty and crime.

[SpontaneousOrder]

Would you really like to live in a country where only those who can afford to pay for education can send their children to school?

Its a two way street I'm afraid if you want to live in a safe and civilised society. Take education away from children whose parents are broke (or have no parents) and they'll grow up into poverty and crime.

I'll ignore the straw man you're presenting because it's besides the point.

It sounds like your definition of a right is whatever you think would be nice. In that case rights would be pretty meaningless - you can argue all you like amongst each other about pretend rights; I don't care.

[Bunk]

I'll ignore the straw man you're presenting because it's besides the point.

It sounds like your definition of a right is whatever you think would be nice. In that case rights would be pretty meaningless - you can argue all you like amongst each other about pretend rights; I don't care.

So which are "pretend" rights and which are the "real" ones?