It's the (possible) end of the world as we know it.

[Platypus]

I think he shot himself in the foot allowing 16 yo to vote. The majority are dead against it, seeing themselves as Brit's. Which is interesting because this generation don't see themselves as victims from centralised government. They feel they still have much in common with the rest of country. Whereas the old generation, I'm taking now 30+ find themselves completely disenfranchised much like the north of England not sharing much in common with the property obsessed south east.

Really!? Well honestly I'd would have guessed the exact opposite of that, i.e.

- 16 year old all fired up and patriotic about Scotland (so Sammond buys himself a big yes vote)
- 30+ year old realises that there's a bigger picture and that independence won't make much difference, so why bother

But, I respect your POV. Out of interest, got any links to polls or analysis?

[scooterscot]

Not having a credit card can imply more income than having one in Germany and NL. If you earn enough, you don't need to borrow, so I got rid of mine last year and only use debit card now; why pay the charges on something I barely use? Sometimes a bit inconvenient as hire car firms and chain hotels always want a credit card number for booking, but more and more are setting up debit card payment on t'interweb now. Sheraton Schiphol have now lost my business as they demand credit cards, even though I've always been satisfied there and have slept there several times a year, so Radisson across the road can sell me a hotel room 10 times a year instead now. Companies selling in NL and DE really need to get their heads round this; customers with a high disposable income here don't necessarily have or want credit cards so you have to cater to other forms of payment and reservation.

I've had the exact same problem. A while back I stayed in the Radisson but did not have a credit card with me at the time (now kept in a drawer somewhere in the house). So when asked from a pre-authorisation they were stumped. Look I said, here's €150 cash - oh we can't take that??? After some exchanges they took the cash, I had to sign a special slip as they took it to their house safe. Idiots, which is a shame as I rather enjoyed staying at the Radisson.

[Mich the Tester]

Really!? Well honestly I'd would have guessed the exact opposite of that, i.e.

- 16 year old all fired up and patriotic about Scotland (so Sammond buys himself a big yes vote)
- 30+ year old realises that there's a bigger picture and that independence won't make much difference, so why bother

But, I respect your POV. Out of interest, got any links to polls or analysis?

Maybe the younger people mingle a lot more with the rest of the UK while getting plastered on holiday in Ibiza, at college and so on, so they realise that the English and Welsh are no different to themselves?

[tomtomagain]

The exception comes as Brits don't like to move.

Any proof in that? I moved from the N.E and so did the vast majority of people I grew up with.

And the vast majority of people I've worked with haven't "come from five miles up the road". They've come from all over the UK.

The Germans, in the land of the mittelstand, seem more willing to put down roots and stay in the same town/company for generations.

[scooterscot]

Really!? Well honestly I'd would have guessed the exact opposite of that, i.e.

- 16 year old all fired up and patriotic about Scotland (so Sammond buys himself a big yes vote)
- 30+ year old realises that there's a bigger picture and that independence won't make much difference, so why bother

But, I respect your POV. Out of interest, got any links to polls or analysis?

Yes, youtube interviews, many of the youngsters questioned in that group are not for it at all. But reading into it you realise that a great many many people are so misinformed it's embarrassing.

Honestly watch this group of idiots if you can: Scottish Independence being discussed on 'The Wright Stuff' 27/11/2013 - YouTube



A good source of polls here where the results are coming from sources across the land.

Opinion Polls | What Scotland Thinks

[Mich the Tester]

I've had the exact same problem. A while back I stayed in the Radisson but did not have a credit card with me at the time (now kept in a drawer somewhere in the house). So when asked from a pre-authorisation they were stumped. Look I said, here's €150 cash - oh we can't take that??? After some exchanges they took the cash, I had to sign a special slip as they took it to their house safe. Idiots, which is a shame as I rather enjoyed staying at the Radisson.

Strange as radisson's the only one that's OK with it at Schiphol, but Sheraton are difficult. I can only think that the policies are written by someone in a head office somewhere else who knows nothing about local circumstances. FFS, there's a multi millionaire pro soccer player in our village who doesn't have a credit card and gets the same crap when he goes to hotels. Consequence; he looks for small luxury hotels and spends his wheelbarrows of cash there instead. The hotel chains really need to get a grip.

[scooterscot]

Any proof in that? I moved from the N.E and so did the vast majority of people I grew up with.

And the vast majority of people I've worked with haven't "come from five miles up the road". They've come from all over the UK.

The Germans, in the land of the mittelstand, seem more willing to put down roots and stay in the same town/company for generations.

Not directly but has been my experience working across England. I met a girl in Southampton once she was 26, never been north of the M27!! She did not know where Winchester was.

[scooterscot]

Strange as radisson's the only one that's OK with it at Schiphol, but Sheraton are difficult. I can only think that the policies are written by someone in a head office somewhere else who knows nothing about local circumstances. FFS, there's a multi millionaire pro soccer player in our village who doesn't have a credit card and gets the same crap when he goes to hotels. Consequence; he looks for small luxury hotels and spends his wheelbarrows of cash there instead. The hotel chains really need to get a grip.

Part of the reason now when I depend so much on airbnb and look for a nice guest house instead.

[tomtomagain]

[QUOTE=scooterscot;1856370 I met a girl in Southampton once .[/QUOTE]

But if you lived in Southampton why would you ever leave?

[MyUserName]

But if you lived in Southampton you can never leave due to the sodding surreal one way system

FTFY