England v Germany (1-5)

[Dactylion]

I agree with this guy:

Is this humility? You would normally think that that guy agreed with you!

[doodab]

As I thought the Germans aren't tulip hot as people imagine.
Under Low they seem to lack the killer instinct, they haven't won a single tournament under him, although they play more fluent footy.
In the old Kaiser days, they played crap but managed to win, they had will.
Mediocre performance from both teams - scoreline flatters the Germans.

I'd disagree. They haven't won a tournament but a lot of that is down to the Spanish, who they met in the final of Euro 2008 and the semis of the last world cup. And no one has come up with an answer to that yet (although Bayern did hammer Barca in last years CL, which might be a portent). They hammered us and utterly demolished Argentina in 2010.

Last night wasn't a great game but it was a second string team on both sides. I'd expect a rematch in Brazil to be an altogether more entertaining affair.

[darmstadt]

I agree with this guy:

Why doesn’t Germany win soccer tournaments anymore? | Power Line

Not too bad an article but:

The 2012 squad featured three starters with racial/ethnic minority status – Mesut Ozil (Turkish origin), Sami Khedira (half Tunisian), and Jerome Boateng (born in Ghana, but raised in Germany by an émigré father)

What about:

İlkay Gündoğan - Turkish/German parents
Miroslav Klose - born in Poland although father holds a German passport (ethnic German)
Mario Gomez - German/Spanish parents