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Et Tu, UK? Anger Grows over British Spying in Berlin

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    Et Tu, UK? Anger Grows over British Spying in Berlin

    And they're surprised? We've probably got clones in the Bundestag.


    Revelation of Spy Nest in British Berlin Embassy Angers Germans - SPIEGEL ONLINE


    Et Tu, UK? Anger Grows over British Spying in Berlin

    Germany has been rocked by the revelation that yet another close ally might be spying on its leaders from an embassy in Berlin. The London-based newspaper The Independent revealed Monday that British intelligence had established a "secret listening post" in the British Embassy like the one recently revealed by SPIEGEL to be in the US Embassy on the same large block. The British post, like the American one, is located near the German parliament, the Reichstag, and was disclosed in the trove of data leaked by American intelligence whistleblower Edward Snowden.

    According to the Independent, the British eavesdropping equipment is likely housed on embassy grounds in a white, tent-like structure that has been there since the embassy opened in 2000. The equipment is reportedly able to intercept cellphone and Wi-Fi signals as well as "long-distance communications across the German capital," presumably including in the Reichstag and Merkel's nearby Chancellery.
    The so-called "concealed collection system," the paper continues, is operated by a small staff whose "true mission is not known by the majority of the diplomatic staff at the facility." Likewise, given the location of the equipment, the paper posits that it is unlikely that the operation did not intercept information from Chancellor Merkel.

    'Completely Unacceptable'

    The revelation has the potential to cause another deep rift between Germany and a close ally. The news that the United States was spying on Merkel's cellphone prompted angry reactions from German leaders, including a furious phone call from Merkel to US President Barack Obama, and discussions about sanctions and new anti-spying rules directed against the Americans. When contacted by the British newspaper, representatives from both the GCHQ, the British spying agency, and the government of Prime Minister David Cameron refused to comment.

    German politicians across the political spectrum have responded to these fresh allegations with fresh anger. Wolfgang Bosbach, a parliamentarian with the Merkel's conservative Christian Democrats (CDU), told Berlin daily Tagesspiegel that "the latest developments show that we need to sign a 'no-spy' agreement with the United Kingdom, as well," adding, "such full-blown spying is completely inacceptable and must be dealt with."
    Hans-Peter Uhl, a parliamentarian with the Christian Social Union (CSU), the CDU's Bavarian sister party, was more restrained, emphasizing to Tagesspiegel that Germany "should have the goal of developing techniques to protect our data."

    Jan Albrecht, a member of the European Parliament with the environmentalist Green Party who specializes in civil rights and data protection, told the Independent: "This is hardly in the spirit of European cooperation. We are not enemies."
    "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark Twain

    #2
    Originally posted by scooterscot View Post
    And they're surprised? We've probably got clones in the Bundestag.
    Don't you mean 'you sassenachs'?
    And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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      #3
      Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post
      Don't you mean 'you sassenachs'?
      Fair point - Schottlander spying on the German's? We're just not that paranoid I guess.
      "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark Twain

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        #4
        WGAS what the Krauts think? What can they do about it? Sweet FA.
        Really you'd think they'd have improved their information processing capabilities since WW2. They need to sack their underperforming intelligence agencies and start again.
        FFS It was a British newspaper that exposed it. The Kraut intelligence agencies hadn't a clue


        haven't laffed so much in ages.
        Hard Brexit now!
        #prayfornodeal

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          #5
          A hidden camera in Kristina Schröder's bathroom is a bit naughty but entirely understandable and it shouldn't lead to WW3.

          And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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            #6
            Wow what a suprise, spies suspected of spying

            Are they trying to win a NSS award ?
            Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the abject worship of the state.

            No Socialist Government conducting the entire life and industry of the country could afford to allow free, sharp, or violently-worded expressions of public discontent.

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              #7
              I was in Berlin the other week and found it interesting that you could walk right up to the American Embassy which only had a few police lounging around whereas the British Embassy had the whole road closed off and extremely high security, just wondering why they were so paranoid...
              Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.

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                #8
                Originally posted by sasguru View Post
                WGAS what the Krauts think? What can they do about it? Sweet FA.
                Really you'd think they'd have improved their information processing capabilities since WW2. They need to sack their underperforming intelligence agencies and start again.
                FFS It was a British newspaper that exposed it. The Kraut intelligence agencies hadn't a clue


                haven't laffed so much in ages.
                The Germans had lots of highly competent spies throughout the 20th century, but perhaps many of them had political affiliations that aren't really compatible with modern liberal democracy.
                And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by darmstadt View Post
                  I was in Berlin the other week and found it interesting that you could walk right up to the American Embassy which only had a few police lounging around whereas the British Embassy had the whole road closed off and extremely high security, just wondering why they were so paranoid...
                  Well for a start they need to discourage all those British expats looking for basic services like passport renewals and stamped documents.
                  And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post
                    The Germans had lots of highly competent spies throughout the 20th century, but perhaps many of them had political affiliations that aren't really compatible with modern liberal democracy.
                    Still highly embarrassing if a newspaper of the country spying on you reveals the secret rather than your own intelligence agencies knowing.
                    Heads ought to roll, really. It makes Germany look naïve and foolish.
                    Hard Brexit now!
                    #prayfornodeal

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