The end of the New Lie?

[John Galt]

The lady who spouted the virtues of freedom - freedom to be individualistic and greedy, freedom to not give a damn about those less fortunate; or the freedom to be unemployed, to starve, to be homeless

Oh my God how NL have spread their poison! Do you actually remember the days before Thatcher came to power? 3 day weeks, rubbish piled on the streets economy in tatters (courtesy of Old Labour!) Why do you socialist types always assume that wanting to do well for your self always has to be at the expense of someone else. There is nothing to stop anyone getting of their arse and making a better lives for themselves and they should be applauded for it and not made to feel guilty. I make a damn good living as a contractor - nice house, mercedes, little Galts in private school, couple of holidays a year and do you know what I am damned proud of what I have achieved - years of study, long hours and bloody hard work but now I have the rewards. And quite frankly I am buggered if I am going to be made to feel guilty by the likes of Bliar. So there

[Bagpuss]

Wasn't there a 3 day week under Ted Heath?

[wonderwaif]

Wasn't there a 3 day week under Ted Heath?

Wasn't that down to the hard working miners holding the rest of the country, (i.e. their fellow workers), to ransom by not supplying coal to the power stations?

[Fungus]

You think the Tories are any better?
Remember their values?

Family Values; Law and Order; Personal Freedom; Economic prosperity

What we had was:

Alan Clarke - Serial womaniser
Cecil Parkinson - who dumps his pregnant girlfriend and denies all knowledge of his affair or the child's existance.
Jeffrey Archer - Ex criminal and prostitute user
John 'Family Values' Major - Edwina Currie bonker
The Iron Lady's Not for Turning Thatcher (the last time anything had the tag Iron was the Iron Fist of communism). The lady who spouted the virtues of freedom - freedom to be individualistic and greedy, freedom to not give a damn about those less fortunate; or the freedom to be unemployed, to starve, to be homeless (yeah right!) Oh, and don't forget the Belgrano affair during The Falklands War; mass unemployment in the North; the 'moaning minnie miners' -wiping the miners off the map and getting the police to cosh them senseless because they had the 'audacity' to go on strike because they couldn't find work anywhere else. Not to mention that she bore a ***** of a son who gets lost in the desert and fiddles his taxes at every opportunity and then buggers off to South Africa to escape the consequences. At least Dennis and Cawol had a clean slate.

Lovely and full of honesty and integrity aren't they

Oooh they were such a nasty bunch. If only they'd gone to bed early, with a nice hot cocoa. Oh for goodness sake, the only one in your list who was worrying was Archer, because he was/is a criminal. Same with Aitken, who you forgot to mention.

I don't mind if ministers play away a bit, as a bit of sexual goings on does no harm (as long as it is concensual). But it's when they screw about with the country that I worry. This lot are dishonest. That is the real problem. It's Nescafe politics.

[Bagpuss]

Wasn't that down to the hard working miners holding the rest of the country, (i.e. their fellow workers), to ransom by not supplying coal to the power stations?

I see, then it's the Tories it's the workers fault, When it's Labour it's the Governments fault. How do people get to think like this?

[snaw]

The lady who spouted the virtues of freedom - freedom to be individualistic and greedy, freedom to not give a damn about those less fortunate; or the freedom to be unemployed, to starve, to be homeless

Oh my God how NL have spread their poison! Do you actually remember the days before Thatcher came to power? 3 day weeks, rubbish piled on the streets economy in tatters (courtesy of Old Labour!) Why do you socialist types always assume that wanting to do well for your self always has to be at the expense of someone else. There is nothing to stop anyone getting of their arse and making a better lives for themselves and they should be applauded for it and not made to feel guilty. I make a damn good living as a contractor - nice house, mercedes, little Galts in private school, couple of holidays a year and do you know what I am damned proud of what I have achieved - years of study, long hours and bloody hard work but now I have the rewards. And quite frankly I am buggered if I am going to be made to feel guilty by the likes of Bliar. So there

You always bring up how hard you work, as if 'socialist types' somehow don't, or can't work equally as hard (Didn't realise my politics was tied to my workrate) or wouldn't approve of you doing well for yourself, or bizarrely believe that's comes at the expense of someone else. Never understood this particular stereotype or why it's keeps being propogated.

[Bagpuss]

Let's face it most people on this board aren't working that hard!

[snaw]

On the topic of the old days' I saw John Major on some Sunday morning breakfast show and he made a really relevent point on it about a section of the tory party who hark back for the old days under Thatcher, and the gist of his point was that those politics and solutions just simply don't apply any more. The world has moved on, the country has moved on and the issues we face are of a completely different nature to the ones of twenty years ago. Going on about old labour and rubbish on the streets, or what Mrs T did for us just isn't relevent.

Not in any way meant as a defence of TB and NL, there day's are numbered - I think like any party in power for a long time (The tories in the last spell) they just get stagnant.

[snaw]

Let's face it most people on this board aren't working that hard!

Ain't that the truth.

[The Lone Gunman]

You always bring up how hard you work, as if 'socialist types' somehow don't, or can't work equally as hard (Didn't realise my politics was tied to my workrate) or wouldn't approve of you doing well for yourself, or bizarrely believe that's comes at the expense of someone else. Never understood this particular stereotype or why it's keeps being propogated.

This particular stereotype is how many of us see socialism.
Don't get me wrong here, I am all for supporting those in need but I see your politics as taking this beyond what I want.

It is not about working hard, it is about working at all.
Why should the workers support the work shy?
Your politics appears to be jealous and disapproves of those who do well because it wants to redistribute that wealth and essentialy discourages the doers from creating that wealth.
Your politics seems to say that wealth comes at the expense of the poor. Why else would you want to take money and property from the rich and give it to the poor. Particularly if it wasnt taken from them in the first place?

I want to be able to enjoy the fruits of my labour without having to guard it from those who would take it and give to those who are not willing to generate their own.