It's all our own fault you know

[snaw]

Wouldn't the gay refugees be included in the first catagory? I doubt our illustrious leaders have a special catagory for immigrants - that would be prejudiced

Indeed they would. I didn't notice any catagory for gay, african, aids ridden political refugees.

[DimPrawn]

Doesn't matter how you look at it it's all Bliar's fault

I felt exactly the same way when my boiler packed in last winter. The useless lying bastard!

[Clog II The Avenger]

"Just want to nip this small piece of mistruth in the bud, sounds like a pamphlet stat from the BNP imo."

Hardly from the BMP. This was from Radio 4. The concern was voiced by Health Officials because it is the Home Office who give leave to stay for the Aids reason; but it is the Heath Authorities via the tax payers who have to foot the bill. There were also interviews with Aids victims from Africa who said that they had paid several thousands of pounds for false passports so that that they could get to the UK for there treatment. Of course I can understand them and if it was me I would do the same. However I do think it is wrong to give refugee status and free treatment to aids victims. Hardy BMP talk.

[snaw]

"Just want to nip this small piece of mistruth in the bud, sounds like a pamphlet stat from the BNP imo."

Hardly from the BMP. This was from Radio 4. The concern was voiced by Health Officials because it is the Home Office who give leave to stay for the Aids reason; but it is the Heath Authorities via the tax payers who have to foot the bill. There were also interviews with Aids victims from Africa who said that they had paid several thousands of pounds for false passports so that that they could get to the UK for there treatment. Of course I can understand them and if it was me I would do the same. However I do think it is wrong to give refugee status and free treatment to aids victims. Hardy BMP talk.

Could be true then - the official sites don't bracket refugees as a seperate group. Just seems like quite an imflammatory thing to highlight to me, which is kind of ignoring the bigger issues talked about before.

[John Galt]

Could be true then - the official sites don't bracket refugees as a seperate group. Just seems like quite an imflammatory thing to highlight to me, which is kind of ignoring the bigger issues talked about before.

Why inflammatory Snaw? Why shouldn't we be informed on how our taxes are being spent? If we are having AIDs sufferers coming to this country just to get treatment then it should be highlighted and, more to the point, stopped

[snaw]

Why inflammatory Snaw? Why shouldn't we be informed on how our taxes are being spent? If we are having AIDs sufferers coming to this country just to get treatment then it should be highlighted and, more to the point, stopped

Cause you're highlighting one insignificant group as being the cause of a much bigger problem. Got no issue with saying refugees coming here for health reasons shouldn't happen, I agree (Even better let's make the drugs available to Africans at a cost they can afford). But once they are in and here with the status then morally we can't send them back to die.

Going from a discussion on our increasingly unhealthy lifestyles and future consequences, the numbers of which discussed run into the tens of millions of people, to jumping to blaming the problems on a few thousand refugees is IMO inflammatory. It doesn't address the issue being discussed, it's not a major factor in any way for the bigger concerns people have with the NHS and if we prevented every single refugee with AIDS coming into the country would have next to no impact on NHS resources or our increasingly greater demands on the system.

[TheMonkey]

If the government helped people to feel better about life, rather than victimising them then perhaps the problem would resolve itself.

People have these lifestyles because it is their individual escape...

[John Galt]

Cause you're highlighting one insignificant group as being the cause of a much bigger problem. Got no issue with saying refugees coming here for health reasons shouldn't happen, I agree (Even better let's make the drugs available to Africans at a cost they can afford). But once they are in and here with the status then morally we can't send them back to die.

Going from a discussion on our increasingly unhealthy lifestyles and future consequences, the numbers of which discussed run into the tens of millions of people, to jumping to blaming the problems on a few thousand refugees is IMO inflammatory. It doesn't address the issue being discussed, it's not a major factor in any way for the bigger concerns people have with the NHS and if we prevented every single refugee with AIDS coming into the country would have next to no impact on NHS resources or our increasingly greater demands on the system.

OK, why can't we send them back? Sounds harsh I know but what obligation do we have to them? There are many, many people using the NHS who have made no contribution to it and, I include in that, people who have never worked and live on benefits.

No one has said that immigrants (or refugees if you prefer) are the major cause of the demise of the NHS but they make a difficult situation worse.

[snaw]

OK, why can't we send them back? Sounds harsh I know but what obligation do we have to them? There are many, many people using the NHS who have made no contribution to it and, I include in that, people who have never worked and live on benefits.

No one has said that immigrants (or refugees if you prefer) are the major cause of the demise of the NHS but they make a difficult situation worse.

That one I guess is a simple matter for your personal morals. I don't believe we can knowingly send a fellow human being to their certain death. You can make an arguement against them being here in the first place but once they're in they're our legal responsibility, which is where my first point comes in.

[sunnysan]

True, yet, and its very rare I agree with His Masters Voice, but illness which are self inflicted such as over consumption of alcohol or smoking are avoidable , we cannot expect the NHS to cater for a massive volume of ipatinets whom are inthis position purely as a consequence of hedonism.

I agree with what he is saying, but not how he is saying it, personal health problems owing to bad dietry habits are an educational issue, and quite frankly politicising it to deflect government responisbility to provide a functional health service is nothing less than underhanded.

It p!sses me off to no end when I see a young mother buying lottery tickets, 2l of fanta, pack of silk cut and a pack of crisps for her toddler to eat. To my mind if people can afford to buy ciggies and booze they can afford to feed themselves and their children healthily. Its a question of priorities.

Its more about an attitude change than anything else. When communities start to change then the lifestyle habits and consequently inviduals health will be positively affected.

The problem in the UK IMHO, is that it is expensive to eat healthily, and consequently many people take the economic decision to buy cr@p food so that they can afford other things. While it is cheaper to buy cr@p food, I cannot really see anything changing