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    #21
    Arts Graduates

    One of the problems of having a government run entirely by arts graduates and a media reporting on them also being arts graduates is that the true situation is not properly reported.

    Arts grads, especially those of a Green leaning think fast cars = bad
    Slow cars =better

    That's not a stupid thing to suspect, given that the chance of someone dying if hit by a car goes up seriously with impact speed.

    It is however a stupid thing to believe. Recall that we are dealing with artsgrad Greens here, "belief" is not "something that seems to fit the facts as far as I know them", but uncritical acceptance.

    It turns out that where 20 mph speed limits have been introduced, road deaths have gone up quite a lot, this objective fact is being ignored by policy makers and the media reporting on their decisions.

    But, and this is a big but, fast cars are "bad", therefore this objective fact is simply ignored because slower cars are "good".

    This is why Thatcher (Chemistry Degree from Oxford) as one of her first actions upon becoming Prime Minister took the word "Science" from the Social Science Research Council, because they weren't scientists.

    A science grad, or anyone who stayed half awake through a few teenage lessons, knows that to support the idea that A causes B, you have do repeat the experiment without A. Otherwise you put a jelly baby next to a flask of hot water, it goes cold and reach the conclusion that jelly babies cool water.

    Also the value of an experiment is partly how unexpected the result and finally just because you want something to be true or false, does not affect whether it is true or false.

    Many "social scientists" do experiments on this basis, they look at data without control experiments and too often produce results they like.

    Human factors are maddeningly unpredictable, Copper Sulphate doesn't change colour out of spite or to impress that cute little test tube of Potassium Permanganate, so control experiments are actually more important than in real sciences.

    One interpretation of the less speed = more deaths comes from a general observation that the most dangerous things are those that aren't obvious, scary fast roads are scary so people are careful. It may be the case that 20 mpg speed limits lulled pedestrians into a false sense of security. This interacts with the way that cars are a lot quieter than they used to be and of course that a 20 mph limit doesn't at all mean that cars are doing less than 20, it means some are doing 20 and some are 60, an apparently fatal variation.

    Or its something else, but currently the data tells us clearly that more 20 mph zones will get more people killed.

    That may sound like I'm sympathetic to driver who speed, quite the reverse, my solution is harsh/brutal enforcement of speed limits. Driving at 60 in a 30 mph limit costs you your car.
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      #22
      Originally posted by Dominic Connor View Post
      dribble
      Coffee's for closers

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        #23
        Originally posted by Dominic Connor View Post
        It turns out that where 20 mph speed limits have been introduced, road deaths have gone up quite a lot, this objective fact is being ignored by policy makers and the media reporting on their decisions.
        Do you have a link to these objective facts?

        Cos this one recorded a 56.4% reduction in "killed or seriously injured" accidents in London. That's based on counting them, which is pretty objective.

        http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...FullReport.pdf
        Last edited by doodab; 10 July 2013, 19:41.
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          #24
          Scientists believe in proper research. They also belief in showing the data rather than blithely making statements to be taken on trust.
          Originally posted by MaryPoppins
          I'd still not breastfeed a nazi
          Originally posted by vetran
          Urine is quite nourishing

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            #25
            'Grüne Welle' - Green Wave. A lot of German cities have this, its where the traffic lights along main roads stay or turn to green as you drive along it but keeping a constant speed. There's a lot more technical stuff behind it but it does keep the traffic flowing: Grüne Welle
            Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.

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              #26
              Even arts grads are taught to have a healthy scepticism towards their sources.

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                #27
                Originally posted by doodab View Post
                Do you have a link to these objective facts?

                Cos this one recorded a 56.4% reduction in "killed or seriously injured" accidents in London. That's based on counting them, which is pretty objective.

                http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...FullReport.pdf
                I think he got confused (clearly easily done!) between positive and negative
                Coffee's for closers

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by mudskipper View Post
                  Even arts grads are taught to have sources.
                  FTFY
                  Coffee's for closers

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                    #29
                    Saucy arts grads. Mmmm.
                    While you're waiting, read the free novel we sent you. It's a Spanish story about a guy named 'Manual.'

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                      #30
                      One has to wonder, could Sas be DC's sockie?
                      Originally posted by MaryPoppins
                      I'd still not breastfeed a nazi
                      Originally posted by vetran
                      Urine is quite nourishing

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