BN66/S58 update

[d000hg]

Things get decided in the courts and overuled/appealed all the time. If a court decided that retrospectively your immigration to the UK was illegal and you had to go to prison, you wouldn't think it unjust?

[Doggy Styles]

This has already been settled in courts - tax with interest should be paid back.

The lobbying action is essentially designed to bypass court decisions on the basis that people who've chosen to pay 2% tax and spent all the money will now go bankrupt.

I am certainly impressed at how far lobbysts gone for relatively small amount of money (6 figures?).

I love you AtW, but you sometimes post such errant rubbish.

[AtW]

Things get decided in the courts and overuled/appealed all the time. If a court decided that retrospectively your immigration to the UK was illegal and you had to go to prison, you wouldn't think it unjust?

If it was proven in court that I did only 2% of required settlement period in UK and the rest in offshore then it would be right to take status (including British citizenship) away and put me in prison. I've followed not just letter of the law but also its spirit.

Not sure why tax cheats expect different treatment - sure most of them would go bankrupt, but that would serve as rightful consequence to their actions. Lots of people go bankrupt every day and lose roof over their heads - they can't afford lawyers and lobbysts. Why should BN66 crowd get off the hook?

They had extremely well paid jobs and thought paying tax was optional. When challenged they dragged on this in courts for years, after losing they want retrospective change to law in order to fix "retrospective" issue

[AtW]

And to add one more thing - there is no remorse in BN66 crowd other than in retrospect they should have picked some other scheme to pay fook all tax.

Pensioners were put in jail for non-payment of council tax, why should those who screwed the Revenue for far larger amounts get away with it? They should be grateful they are not doing long time for tax evasion.

[Doggy Styles]

And to add one more thing - there is no remorse in BN66 crowd other than in retrospect they should have picked some other scheme to pay fook all tax.

Pensioners were put in jail for non-payment of council tax, why should those who screwed the Revenue for far larger amounts get away with it? They should be grateful they are not doing long time for tax evasion.

We live by the law here. Not the court of public opinion, or the Soviet's Kafka version of the law.

So if some BN66er paid only 2% tax within the law (and where did you get that figure from anyway?), it might be a bad law but they are perfectly entitled to have done so. Especially as HMG approved them doing it, although that's almost beside the point.

Suppose the legislation allowing you to immigrate was changed and backdated to before you applied, meaning you had to be deported next week for not applying properly?

[Jeff Maginty]

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[AtW]

We live by the law here.

The law has spoken already in form of multiple court decisions.

So if some BN66er paid only 2% tax within the law (and where did you get that figure from anyway?)

It was not within the law in my view.

It was 3.5% actually:

"The judge said that the overall effect had been to reduce Mr Huitson's tax rate to just 3.5%. "

Source: BBC News - Offshore tax avoiders face £100m tax bill

3.5% of income tax when everybody else paid 40% + NI is same as 2% and same as fook all.

Suppose the legislation allowing you to immigrate was changed and backdated to before you applied, meaning you had to be deported next week for not applying properly?

They can't even deport Abu Qatada despite using full machinery of state - so I'd take my chances.

Ironically Abu Qatada's attempts to stay in under Human Rights law got more sense than Mr Huitson's attempt to prove that having to pay tax at the rate almost everybody else does somehow violates his Human Rights.

[d000hg]

Not sure why tax cheats expect different treatment

I assume you don't take your pay as dividends then AtW?

[Old Hack]

I assume you don't take your pay as dividends then AtW?

That isn't tax cheating, for I pay tax on my dividends

[AtW]

I assume you don't take your pay as dividends then AtW?

I do get dividends from the company that I've founded but there are a few things to bear in mind:

1) company has got over 10 employees now and it was not created as a vehicle to minimise tax
2) company pays corp tax in UK (so dividends are taxed anyway)
3) I am being paid decent salary on PAYE that isn't minimum wage - so fully UK taxed

Did you really expect anything else?

We pay business rates also and have plenty of suppliers who pay their own tax