Originally posted by Mailman
Hurrah! We are getting there! The important part is that part of this crime was carried out in AMERICA! The Natwest guys played a part in getting the Enron CFO to defraud Enron...THEY HAD A DIRECT PART IN THAT ACTION!
Yeah, so one sided it took nearly 4 years to get the feckers out of the country!
Solly Nancy but you are incorrect. The evil americans STILL HAD to show they had a case against these three guys. They had to PRESENT evidence of their wrong doing.
They DID NOT just rock up to Bow County Magistrates last Wednesday and ask for these guys to be deported on Thursday.
Again, another misunderstanding by yourself. The deportation laws these guys were deported under replaced the older treaty.
Stop being a fecken drama queen for fecks sake. These guys fecked up by trying to defraud an American company (and American shareholders) out of a large sum of money. The fact they havent been prosecuted in England should send more alarm bells ringing in that empty head of yours simply because its so EASY to get away with white collar crime in this country!
In fact, the SFO didnt bring prosecutions against these guys NOT because English laws werent broken BUT because English laws are so sh1t you could drive a bomb laden truck through the loop holes that allows people to carry out white collar crime without fear of arrest.
Mailman
Yeah, so one sided it took nearly 4 years to get the feckers out of the country!
Solly Nancy but you are incorrect. The evil americans STILL HAD to show they had a case against these three guys. They had to PRESENT evidence of their wrong doing.
They DID NOT just rock up to Bow County Magistrates last Wednesday and ask for these guys to be deported on Thursday.
Again, another misunderstanding by yourself. The deportation laws these guys were deported under replaced the older treaty.
Stop being a fecken drama queen for fecks sake. These guys fecked up by trying to defraud an American company (and American shareholders) out of a large sum of money. The fact they havent been prosecuted in England should send more alarm bells ringing in that empty head of yours simply because its so EASY to get away with white collar crime in this country!
In fact, the SFO didnt bring prosecutions against these guys NOT because English laws werent broken BUT because English laws are so sh1t you could drive a bomb laden truck through the loop holes that allows people to carry out white collar crime without fear of arrest.
Mailman
You're competely and utterly missing the point repeatedly made - it's the legeslation I and many other have a problem with - the dogs breakfast of a treaty that we have ratified but the US never will, that allows the US to extradite our citizens to the US without having to show Prima Facia evidence:
"In legal proceedings in court, prima facie evidence refers to the burden on the prosecution to present evidence of all facts essential to its case before a criminal case can begin. "
while we stil have to. A treaty meant to quickly extradite terrorists, now being abused to extradite any one the US fancies. The crime : wire fraud, which basiaclly covers any email routed through a US server. You say I'm a drama queen - too fecking right, as of now every citizien of the UK at a minimum who sends an email falls under US jurisdiction with this bollocks.
This is one of the rare cases where outrage is spread across the entire political spectrum of the UK. You being a Kiwi might not get how we feel about things like that, but personally I'm not too happy about it and however much you may admire the US justice system for prosectuting white collar crime, I don't have anything like as much faith in the US legal system or in the general downward direction it's heading in.
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