Why are some folk keen on making a point at the funeral?

[doodab]

I predict a (massive) riot

I think there is a lot of discontent in the country at the moment, we have a Tory PM & chancellor delivering the usual rhetoric about making hard work pay while hard working people are actually struggling, and in some people's eyes Thatcher was the prime mover responsible for unleashing the forces of capitalism that many blame for the spiraling housing costs, energy bills, travel costs & food prices, not to mention creating the me, me, me culture of corporate fat cats and greedy bankers.

I think this is a focal point for that anger, and it's going to be a flashpoint. I'll be staying well clear.

[SimonMac]

I think there is a lot of discontent in the country at the moment, we have a Tory PM & chancellor delivering the usual rhetoric about making hard work pay while hard working people are actually struggling, and in some people's eyes Thatcher was the prime mover responsible for unleashing the forces of capitalism that many blame for the spiraling housing costs, energy bills, travel costs & food prices, not to mention creating the me, me, me culture of corporate fat cats and greedy bankers.

I think this is a focal point for that anger, and it's going to be a flashpoint. I'll be staying well clear.

And what was the alternative, more people elected her than the Trade Union Secretaries who had the country by the balls

[doodab]

And what was the alternative, more people elected her than the Trade Union Secretaries who had the country by the balls

WGAS? I'm saying why I think people want to make a point at the funeral, I'm not saying they're right.

A lot of people are pissed off about all sorts of stuff, the divide between the haves and have nots is wider than it has been in a long time and rightly or wrongly a large segment of the population see her as the figurehead of a social trend which they perceive as the cause of their ills. Had she died before the banking crisis when people were feeling flush it would be less of an issue, but now people are struggling and stressed and angry they are much more likely to kick off given an excuse.

The current bout of anger and vitriol isn't purely because of what she did back then. She stood for something and her death provides a focus for a more general, nebulous feeling of discontent at the state of the nation.

[SimonMac]

WGAS? I'm saying why I think people want to make a point at the funeral, I'm not saying they're right.

A lot of people are pissed off about all sorts of stuff, the divide between the haves and have nots is wider than it has been in a long time and rightly or wrongly a large segment of the population see her as the figurehead of a social trend which they perceive as the cause of their ills. Had she died before the banking crisis when people were feeling flush it would be less of an issue, but now people are struggling and stressed and angry they are much more likely to kick off given an excuse.

The sort of people who are going to kick off don't need an excuse, granted the timing with the current bunch's popularity, or lack of it doesn't help but long and short, if she died during the height of the olympic euphoria people would still kick off.

[doodab]

The sort of people who are going to kick off don't need an excuse, granted the timing with the current bunch's popularity, or lack of it doesn't help but long and short, if she died during the height of the olympic euphoria people would still kick off.

There are some who will always cause trouble but the ease with which a rabble can be roused depends to a large degree on how contented people are. In the current economic climate people who would ordinarily have better things to do are much more likely to join in.

Like I said, it's a flashpoint. My feeling is that we could see similar levels of trouble to the 2011 riots.

[DodgyAgent]

I think there is a lot of discontent in the country at the moment, we have a Tory PM & chancellor delivering the usual rhetoric about making hard work pay while hard working people are actually struggling, and in some people's eyes Thatcher was the prime mover responsible for unleashing the forces of capitalism that many blame for the spiraling housing costs, energy bills, travel costs & food prices, not to mention creating the me, me, me culture of corporate fat cats and greedy bankers.

I think this is a focal point for that anger, and it's going to be a flashpoint. I'll be staying well clear.

You are a beneficiary of Thatcherism, in fact you are one of the biggest beneficiaries of Thatcherism. How dare you accuse others of materialism when you yourself through your job destroying "talents" have been feathering your own selfish little nest and filling your own boots on the proceeds of capitalism. And like the lefty hypocrite coward you are you will not argue for Thatchers reforms to be repealed.

Thatcher left a legacy of wealth creation and prosperity the fact that those entrusted with policing it failed was not her fault.

As for the current Tory party they have been left with the mess that your lot have left, with one hand tied behind their back spoilt hypocrites with your sense of entitlement seem to think that they should have cleared up the mess left by the socialists so you and your lefty ilk can fill your fat greedy little boots once again.

Another hypocretin you certainly are.

[doodab]

You are a beneficiary of Thatcherism, in fact you are one of the biggest beneficiaries of Thatcherism. How dare you accuse others of materialism when you yourself through your job destroying "talents" have been feathering your own selfish little nest and filling your own boots on the proceeds of capitalism. And like the lefty hypocrite coward you are you will not argue for Thatchers reforms to be repealed.

Thatcher left a legacy of wealth creation and prosperity the fact that those entrusted with policing it failed was not her fault.

As for the current Tory party they have been left with the mess that your lot have left, with one hand tied behind their back spoilt hypocrites with your sense of entitlement seem to think that they should have cleared up the mess left by the socialists so you and your lefty ilk can fill your fat greedy little boots once again.
Another hypocretin you certainly are.

You really have lost the plot now she's gone haven't you. ******* unfortunate that her "care in the community" policy means you're unable to get the help you need really isn't it

BTW, hypocretin doesn't mean what you think it means. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orexin

Oh and BTW #2, as you well know I have argued on many occasions that many of the social changes that it could be said Thatcher precipitated need to be reversed, the biggest being the widening inequality between rich and poor. That's why you insist on calling me a "leftie". It does appear that in your simple mind there are two kinds of people, you and the lefties, and no room for actual thoughts or ideas.

[doodab]

Also left-wingers, unlike right-wingers, need to protest publicly for what they want, because their agenda is all about bringing people together into a united consensus (unlike right-wingers who just want to be left alone to do their own thing, and their political activity reflects this). So holding up placards at her funeral is just part of this.

Do you mean right wingers who want to be left alone to do their own thing like the BNP? Or right wingers who don't protest publicly like the EDL?

[KentPhilip]

And like the lefty hypocrite coward you are ...

Another hypocretin you certainly are.

Alternatively maybe you mean a hypercrite and a hypercretin?

Do you mean right wingers who want to be left alone to do their own thing like the BNP? Or right wingers who don't protest publicly like the EDL?

No I mean right-wingers who want to be left alone to do their own thing, And engage in effective peaceful campaigning like UKIP.

Jeez it's dawn and the birds outside are making a heck of a racket. I swear I heard one of them start singing "ding dong.."

[DodgyAgent]

You really have lost the plot now she's gone haven't you. ******* unfortunate that her "care in the community" policy means you're unable to get the help you need really isn't it

BTW, hypocretin doesn't mean what you think it means. Orexin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh and BTW #2, as you well know I have argued on many occasions that many of the social changes that it could be said Thatcher precipitated need to be reversed, the biggest being the widening inequality between rich and poor. That's why you insist on calling me a "leftie". It does appear that in your simple mind there are two kinds of people, you and the lefties, and no room for actual thoughts or ideas.

You actually have not argued anything at all. You have simply made sweeping generalisations, tenuously linking todays problems with Thatcherism without explaining why. Neither have you explained why you sneer at "materialism" in "others" as a destructive entity without explaining how this squares with your own priviliged position.

Nothing you say is backed by any sort of argument. for instance the "widening inequality between rich and poor" what does this mean exactly? Does it mean that the poor are better off because there are more rich people? Are you saying that everyone should be poor in order to keep people like you happy? Or does it mean that people like you should be rich but everyone else should be poor?

You are not able (or intelligent enough) to put her reforms into the context of what went before her, you do not even bother to try and argue how she could have changed her policies to prevent the problems of today developing. The reason you do not actually explain anything is because either you cannot or you do not want to. So which is it bigotry or stupidity?