lets welcome more indian nationals into the country to work in tech business

[MarillionFan]

I am sorry but your analysis is critically flawed. You can apply that logic to just about any sphere of activity. In order to get lower bus fares should we go and import bus drivers from Haiti? In order to get lower food prices should we import processing workers in from Sri Lanka? The fact remains that globalization is simply an effort by the owners of capital to reduce the living standards of workers in the developed world so that their profits are not over impacted by rising costs of labour.
Is it not interesting how CEO, CIO, VP and MD positions are never outsourced? I am sure there's loads of qualified Indians who could do those roles as well.

My last three companies have all had Indian IT VP / CIO positions.

For some reason though, they never make it to CEO or COO.

[DodgyAgent]

I am sorry but your analysis is critically flawed. You can apply that logic to just about any sphere of activity. In order to get lower bus fares should we go and import bus drivers from Haiti? In order to get lower food prices should we import processing workers in from Sri Lanka? The fact remains that globalization is simply an effort by the owners of capital to reduce the living standards of workers in the developed world so that their profits are not over impacted by rising costs of labour.
Is it not interesting how CEO, CIO, VP and MD positions are never outsourced? I am sure there's loads of qualified Indians who could do those roles as well.

I do not quite know what you are on about but your assertion that the rich and powerful are pursuing an agenda simply to impoverish people shows either a lack of intelligence or bigotry. The owners of capital are looking to optimise and maximise their profits, and unlike you they are not driven by negative dynamics. OK it may be that their actions may indeed have the effect of "impoverishing" people(where else are jobs going to come from?), but these things tend to work both ways.

In the nineties for example the IT industry was under the grip of its workers and IT contractors became wealthy and secure, funnily, by building the systems that meant companies could eventually do away with them . So they did

It is up to governments to create environments to protect businesses and workers and at the same time motivate and stimulate investment. The trick is to find the right balance between allowing freedom of choice and flexibility of labour and not implementing red tape that kills off economic activity (which is what has happened within the EU)

Cheap labour is available aplenty right now but things will change as long as governments allow enterprise to fluorish.


IMF sees 140m jobs shortage in aging China as 'Lewis Point' hits - Telegraph

[formant]

FTFY

Don't believe there won't be at risk, because you are 'special'. If you have a profitable niche then you will be a target. Remember there are ten's of millions Indians & Chinese who are as clever if not cleverer than you.

Doubt it. I'm a phonetician/computational linguist - you can't do that without exceptional language skills and a native-speaker level of English.
No doubt most of the programmers in language modelling and acoustic modelling are already foreign (though mostly EU, not Indian around here). I'm not a programmer though.

My niche is only profitable because it's so small nobody would consider it worth spending a minimum of 5 years obtaining the relevant degrees and those artsy-types with linguistics and phonetics degrees just don't have the necessary technical skills for ASR. I have no competition, but there also aren't many jobs to start with. So when there aren't any around I steal jobs from testers and shamelessly undercut - because I'd rather work than not work (and whine about Indians taking away my jobs).

[Scoobos]

Good debate on here.

No-one seems to have mentioned that the Government's job is supposed to be to support the electorate, not multinational business - and the assumption the two go hand in hand is only right to a point.

When you are degrading the opportunity for jobs for your citizens to the proportion of tens of thousands a year - year on year; then you are working against the populace, not for it.

That's my view anyhoo.

[The Spartan]

I have no competition, but there also aren't many jobs to start with. So when there aren't any around I steal jobs from testers and shamelessly undercut

Shame on you , what is your skill set test wise?

[formant]

Shame on you , what is your skill set test wise?

Pretty low-level Agile stuff. My testing day-rate is a hell of a lot lower than my speech rec day rate for the simple reason that in the latter I'm an experienced and fully qualified (several degrees) subject matter expert with a rare skill - whilst in testing I'm a noob (although on paper decently qualified (ISEB/ISTQB) and not particularly crap at it ). It's just my back-up plan - I'm not competing with the testing pros on here.

[The Spartan]

Pretty low-level Agile stuff. My testing day-rate is a hell of a lot lower than my speech rec day rate for the simple reason that in the latter I'm an experienced and fully qualified (several degrees) subject matter expert with a rare skill - whilst in testing I'm a noob (although on paper decently qualified (ISEB/ISTQB) and not particularly crap at it ). It's just my back-up plan - I'm not competing with the testing pros on here.

Lol I'm always interested to hear what other testers have in terms of skills, personally I'm a jack of all trades (test wise) master of none

[formant]

Lol I'm always interested to hear what other testers have in terms of skills, personally I'm a jack of all trades (test wise) master of none

That's the bit where experience helps of course. I've been lucky to find enough speech rec work over the past few years that my stints in testing were relatively short and all of similar nature.

Though, having worked in testing, I do know what you mean about people being only qualified on paper. I'm not sure I'd put that down to solely a lack of experience - I think a lot of testing is about having the right sort of mindset. Yeah, you can learn the tools, but if your problem solving skills and inquisitive nature just aren't there you'll always be rubbish. The problem with a lot of bobs is that they really only do what's required on paper without truly getting into it.
(I only branched out into testing because what I do in speech rec is essentially QA - just a very specific kind of QA - and my speech rec roles always came with some testing duties).

[MarillionFan]

Lol I'm always interested to hear what other testers have in terms of skills, personally I'm a jack of all trades (test wise) master of none

That;s the cornerstone of being a contractor IMHO. It's all very well having a niche, but it's that niche that can be outsourced. If you can communicate extremely well, document well, test well, develop etc etc then you'll never be out of work as a contractor. You may not scale the highs of remuneration, but you will always be ahead and stay ahead.

[DodgyAgent]

Good debate on here.

No-one seems to have mentioned that the Government's job is supposed to be to support the electorate, not multinational business - and the assumption the two go hand in hand is only right to a point.

When you are degrading the opportunity for jobs for your citizens to the proportion of tens of thousands a year - year on year; then you are working against the populace, not for it.

That's my view anyhoo.

Quite right