Wail- abuser who 'didn't know' that sex with a girl of 13 was illegal is spared jail

[mos]

Agreed.

Maybe I am missing something. The defence of the guy was: he was taught that girls are 'worthless ' and are 'like a lollypop picked up from the ground'.

He is clearly a psychopath and should not be allowed to walk free under any circumstances. If he was not deemed competent enough to go to jail for breaking the law where he could be subject to intensive re-education about British values then he should be locked in mental hospital until deemed sufficiently competent to coexist in British society.

The question here is whether the girl of 13, possibly from dysfunctional home should not be protected by law in such scenario at least until she reaches some maturity and is more capable of the informed decision making?

And as a parent, presumably middle class, would you want for your daughter of 13 to loose "cherry" in such circumstances?

[mudskipper]

Maybe I am missing something. The defence of the guy was: he was taught that girls are 'worthless ' and are 'like a lollypop picked up from the ground'.

He is clearly a psychopath and should not be allowed to walk free under any circumstances. If he was not deemed competent enough to go to jail for breaking the law where he could be subject to intensive re-education about British values then he should be locked in mental hospital until deemed sufficiently competent to coexist in British society.

The question here is whether the girl of 13, possibly from dysfunctional home should not be protected by law in such scenario at least until she reaches some maturity and is more capable of the informed decision making?

And as a parent, presumably middle class, would you want for your daughter of 13 to loose "cherry" in such circumstances?

I agree - an appropriate punishment would be re-education. And any 'school' teaching such stuff should be prosecuted.

Generally, 18yo boy/13 yo girl = wrong. But without knowing the young people involved, it's impossible to make a judgement on relative maturity / sexual experience of the two involved. Presumably the judge was in a position to make that sort of judgement.

[Troll]

Some do. And when the sex is with a fourteen/fifteen year old boy, that's one thing. When it's with a 30 year old man, that's quite another. Eighteen probably falls into the "should know better" category, but an immature eighteen year old is only by the loosest definition a man.

Trouble is 14 & 15 year old boys are usually immature & awkward around girls - so it tends to be with the 18-20 year olds

[Troll]

I agree - an appropriate punishment would be re-education. And any 'school' teaching such stuff should be prosecuted.

Generally, 18yo boy/13 yo girl = wrong. But without knowing the young people involved, it's impossible to make a judgement on relative maturity / sexual experience of the two involved. Presumably the judge was in a position to make that sort of judgement.

Is a 21 year old male with a 16 year old girl also wrong?

[mudskipper]

Is a 21 year old male with a 16 year old girl also wrong?

I think it's impossible to generalise

The difference is, it's not illegal.

[doodab]

Is a 21 year old male with a 16 year old girl also wrong?

Nope. Half his age plus 7 is the golden rule for adults, and it extrapolates quite well to teenagers IMO.

[mos]

Presumably the judge was in a position to make that sort of judgement.

I really hope that the judge can justify his decision in comprehensible way and no false character witnesses were taken into account. At the moment I cannot figure out how a girl of 13 could be deemed a dirty w$%^e who seduced "innocent" guy like that. And that by doing so she demonstrated that she was a "mature" party in this scenario.

[Troll]

Nope. Half his age plus 7 is the golden rule for adults, and it extrapolates quite well to teenagers IMO.

I always thought that was the formula for an ideal wife... but see how you could use it in this case quite well

[mudskipper]

I really hope that the judge can justify his decision in comprehensible way and no false character witnesses were taken into account. At the moment I cannot figure out how a girl of 13 could be deemed a dirty w$%^e who seduced "innocent" guy like that. And that by doing so she would demonstrate that she was a "mature" party in this scenario.

He's not innocent - he broke the law. The question is whether he should have gone to prison for what he did.

[Troll]

I think it's impossible to generalise

The difference is, it's not illegal.

Legality is based on arbitrary number - if they were Mexican there wouldn't be an issue