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[escapeUK]

If she is happy with a car like the Matiz then I would recommend the Toyota Aygo. 60+mpg, no tax to pay can seat 4 in comfort and still get to 90 on the motorway (wind direction permitting),

Yes and make she has really comprehensive life insurance, and you'll be set for life. Maybe NLUK isnt as dumb as people think, unless of course he thinks this is a safe vehicle to drive.

[psychocandy]

Yes and make she has really comprehensive life insurance, and you'll be set for life. Maybe NLUK isnt as dumb as people think, unless of course he thinks this is a safe vehicle to drive.

Hmmm. By that rationale, the only safe cars are large ones and you shouldn't buy ANY small car?

Would be nice if we could all afford two hummers per family of course.

[escapeUK]

Hmmm. By that rationale, the only safe cars are large ones and you shouldn't buy ANY small car?

Would be nice if we could all afford two hummers per family of course.

Have you heard of jaws? Its the device police use to cut people out of cars, look up jaws of life. My father cut many people out of accidents during his work as a traffic officer.

No he wouldnt recommend anyone buy a small car. It can have 5 stars in some stupid test to make you buy it, you'll still be dead if you go up against someone in a medium well built car. He has many stories of this happening, usually against a Mercedes or Volvo. Who's occupants walk away unhurt, where the little car driver is lucky to be in a wheelchair.

You should remember that those Euro Ncap tests only compare same size cars against each other, so a 5 star little weak car is not as strong as a 3 star medium.

You make your choices and you take your chances.

[psychocandy]

Have you heard of jaws? Its the device police use to cut people out of cars, look up jaws of life. My father cut many people out of accidents during his work as a traffic officer.

No he wouldnt recommend anyone buy a small car. It can have 5 stars in some stupid test to make you buy it, you'll still be dead if you go up against someone in a medium well built car. He has many stories of this happening, usually against a Mercedes or Volvo. Who's occupants walk away unhurt, where the little car driver is lucky to be in a wheelchair.

You should remember that those Euro Ncap tests only compare same size cars against each other, so a 5 star little weak car is not as strong as a 3 star medium.

You make your choices and you take your chances.

I dont disagree but like I said in an ideal world......

[northernladuk]

You should remember that those Euro Ncap tests only compare same size cars against each other, so a 5 star little weak car is not as strong as a 3 star medium.

Whilst I don't disagree with what you say I wasn't aware of this. I can't see anywhere on the NCAP site that backs this up? The catagories are on the search thing yes but looking at the protocol documents I can't see anywhere it mentions cars are groups and inividually rated by type? I would be dissapointed if that was the case. I thought the idea was to give a balanced review of saftey of all cars, not per car type. A 5 star super mini not having the same protection as a 3* large family car means you still don't have a qualified comparison of the two, which I thought was the whole purpose of the tests.

Cutting people out of cars due to a crash with combined speeds of 80+ upwards isn't covered by NCAP and abolsutely, you would expect a bigger car to fare better.

[escapeUK]

Euro NCAP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Comparing test results

The Euro NCAP frontal impact tests simulates crashing a car into another of similar mass and structure. This means that the ratings can only be meaningfully compared between cars of the same type and size.[6] The following structural categories are used:
Passenger car
MPV
Off-roader
Roadster
Pickup
In each category, cars which are within 150 kg of one another are considered comparable

Buying your car | Euro NCAP - For safer cars crash test safety rating

Are large cars safer than small cars?
In frontal impacts between cars, the occupants of the heavier car or the one with higher structures tend to fare better than those travelling in lighter, lower cars. As it is not possible to simulate the influence of mass in a test against a fixed barrier, Euro NCAP recommends comparison only between cars which are of a similar mass (+/- 150kg) and in the same category. Such comparisons allow the relative safety performance of cars to be judged accurately.

Can results be compared between groups?
Accurate comparisons can only be made between cars in the same group. The frontal test mirrors a crash between two cars of similar size. A heavier car or one with a higher structure will tend to have an advantage if it impacts a smaller car. The Euro NCAP results cannot be used to predict the outcome of such crashes.

Aygo Weight = 890
Ford Focus = 1270
VW Golf = 1323

And so on.

But Ive already said what the experience of my father was, in a crash little car = dead or disabled, big car = walk away with stiff neck.

[escapeUK]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXunnaaYtz0

There's a video for people who like to see proof, there a Yaris as an example. See how the Yaris is destroyed by the Camry.

"In a real world crash the driver of the Yaris would sustain serious injuries, by comparison the driver of the Camry would fair much better."

Im a little surprised that people do think that small cars with 5 stars are as safe as a big car with 5 stars, but I guess this is marketing in action!

[Platypus]

Hmmm. By that rationale, the only safe cars are large ones and you shouldn't buy ANY small car?

That's the prevailing wisdom in the US, and another reason why many merkins prefer to buy large trucks.

EDIT: just watch the video!

[northernladuk]

Euro NCAP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Comparing test results

The Euro NCAP frontal impact tests simulates crashing a car into another of similar mass and structure. This means that the ratings can only be meaningfully compared between cars of the same type and size.[6] The following structural categories are used:
Passenger car
MPV
Off-roader
Roadster
Pickup
In each category, cars which are within 150 kg of one another are considered comparable

Buying your car | Euro NCAP - For safer cars crash test safety rating

Well that has well and truely burst my bubble I know stats like this are difficult to pin down but to assume you are going to hit a similar sized car is a bit... mehhhh... I thought the whole idea was to ave a definitive guide, not one that would depend on what I hit.

Are large cars safer than small cars?
In frontal impacts between cars, the occupants of the heavier car or the one with higher structures tend to fare better than those travelling in lighter, lower cars. As it is not possible to simulate the influence of mass in a test against a fixed barrier, Euro NCAP recommends comparison only between cars which are of a similar mass (+/- 150kg) and in the same category. Such comparisons allow the relative safety performance of cars to be judged accurately.

Can results be compared between groups?
Accurate comparisons can only be made between cars in the same group. The frontal test mirrors a crash between two cars of similar size. A heavier car or one with a higher structure will tend to have an advantage if it impacts a smaller car. The Euro NCAP results cannot be used to predict the outcome of such crashes.

Aygo Weight = 890
Ford Focus = 1270
VW Golf = 1323

And so on.

But Ive already said what the experience of my father was, in a crash little car = dead or disabled, big car = walk away with stiff neck.

Yep, can't argue with the common sense (plus ,unfortunately, the practical experience) of this.

[Platypus]

Well that has well and truely burst my bubble

NLUK admits he's wrong about something