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Originally posted by MarillionFan View PostOne of the biggest business bug bears regarding data comes from finance or HR. Whereas the majority of data has no real value financial data or personal information does have ramifications.
Each department thinks there data is most important, but in fact no business can survive without data from all departments. Im guessing you most often do work for accounts.Comment
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Originally posted by escapeUK View PostI dont agree. Technical, Sales and Production departments all generate data that is of great value and the business would struggle without it.
Each department thinks there data is most important, but in fact no business can survive without data from all departments. Im guessing you most often do work for accounts.Comment
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Originally posted by escapeUK View PostI dont agree. Technical, Sales and Production departments all generate data that is of great value and the business would struggle without it.
Each department thinks there data is most important, but in fact no business can survive without data from all departments. Im guessing you most often do work for accounts.
normally the IT department who is resistant to change. SAAS models remove the need for expensive in house IT resources. I can see why you would be resistant.
The main concerns for housing data in the cloud relates to regulatory information or insider information. HR or Financial.Last edited by MarillionFan; 25 August 2012, 15:03.What happens in General, stays in General.You know what they say about assumptions!Comment
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Originally posted by MarillionFan View PostAs a BI Consultant I understand data more than most. Whereas it is critical for a department to run, housing data in the cloud normally runs into concerns over confidential financial and HR data. It is
normally the IT department who is resistant to change. SAAS models remove the need for expensive in house IT resources. I can see why you would be resistant.
The main concerns for housing data in the cloud relates to regulatory information or insider information. HR or Financial.
My main concern would be that it would be slow as sludge therefore unusable, insecure, and if the cloud company goes into liquidation what happens. And lets not forget when the internet goes down, so does the system. Routers fail, firewalls crash, and accounts forget to pay virgin. Its upsetting enough for the business to have no e-mail all day, but much more upsetting when they have no access to their system either. Im really not sure who its aimed at.
Im not resistant to it all, but knowing how to write a few queries is not like knowing how to actually define a solution architecture, its a bit like the dick head on here who was running a whole virtual machine just to surf on and another to download torrents on. Just because it can be done, does not mean it should be done, or is actually even necessary or desirable.Comment
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Originally posted by escapeUK View PostI thought that might be what you meant, I think you got the words value and confidential mixed up in your previous post.
My main concern would be that it would be slow as sludge therefore unusable, insecure, and if the cloud company goes into liquidation what happens. And lets not forget when the internet goes down, so does the system. Routers fail, firewalls crash, and accounts forget to pay virgin. Its upsetting enough for the business to have no e-mail all day, but much more upsetting when they have no access to their system either. Im really not sure who its aimed at.
Im not resistant to it all, but knowing how to write a few queries is not like knowing how to actually define a solution architecture, its a bit like the dick head on here who was running a whole virtual machine just to surf on and another to download torrents on. Just because it can be done, does not mean it should be done, or is actually even necessary or desirable.What happens in General, stays in General.You know what they say about assumptions!Comment
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Originally posted by escapeUK View PostI thought that might be what you meant, I think you got the words value and confidential mixed up in your previous post.
My main concern would be that it would be slow as sludge therefore unusable, insecure, and if the cloud company goes into liquidation what happens. And lets not forget when the internet goes down, so does the system. Routers fail, firewalls crash, and accounts forget to pay virgin. Its upsetting enough for the business to have no e-mail all day, but much more upsetting when they have no access to their system either. Im really not sure who its aimed at.
Im not resistant to it all, but knowing how to write a few queries is not like knowing how to actually define a solution architecture, its a bit like the dick head on here who was running a whole virtual machine just to surf on and another to download torrents on. Just because it can be done, does not mean it should be done, or is actually even necessary or desirable.
If you're instead hosting your solution in an onsite server, and your internet access goes down or anything else happens to that server, not only do you lose access but your business stops functioning as your customers are unable to access your product too.
As for speed and reliability, if anything the major cloud hosts are at the top end of the sort of bandwidth they can handle and uptime they can offer. And when it comes to confidentiality of the data hosted, it's relatively straightforward to encrypt your data so that no unauthorised person can access it, even if they had administrative access to the hardware it's hosted upon.Comment
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Originally posted by Gentile View PostAny business that uses technology is going to experience difficulty when their access to the internet goes down. At least if you're hosting your solution in the cloud and your office's access to the internet should fail because of a power cut or some other unforeseen event, your customers will still be able to interact with your product.
If you're instead hosting your solution in an onsite server, and your internet access goes down or anything else happens to that server, not only do you lose access but your business stops functioning as your customers are unable to access your product too.
As for speed and reliability, if anything the major cloud hosts are at the top end of the sort of bandwidth they can handle and uptime they can offer. And when it comes to confidentiality of the data hosted, it's relatively straightforward to encrypt your data so that no unauthorised person can access it, even if they had administrative access to the hardware it's hosted upon.
And im not talking about the bandwidth at the cloud end, I am talking about it at the clients end. If the client can only afford a 10mb connection to the internet, and Im not talking ADSL here as that only tends to have 1Mb up, im talking expensive leased lines. Which would still be a fraction of the speed of the clients internal network.Comment
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Originally posted by escapeUK View PostMaybe we are thinking of two different types of system. I am thinking of a company's ERP system. What sort of system are you thinking of? Hotmail? Software downloads? My clients sell physical products they manufacture from raw materials. They need to be able to constantly see what they need to manufacture, what raw material they need to order.
And im not talking about the bandwidth at the cloud end, I am talking about it at the clients end. If the client can only afford a 10mb connection to the internet, and Im not talking ADSL here as that only tends to have 1Mb up, im talking expensive leased lines. Which would still be a fraction of the speed of the clients internal network.
For the type of ERP solution that you're talking about, I guess you'd need to make an estimate of the percentage of traffic that would be coming from your client's site versus the volume that would be coming from customers placing orders online. If the latter is huge, then if they hosted the solution themselves they'd still need to pay for bandwidth to cope with that traffic (because they'd need to have a decent internet connection to allow their customers to communicate with their website on their physical server). If, on the other hand, it's a system where 99% of the traffic is from your client's own site to its own systems, then you're right that a cloud-based approach would make less sense for that sort of usage profile.Comment
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Originally posted by Gentile View PostI can handle most forms of Bullshit Bingo. The only one I really don't like is when I hear "SharePoint" bandied about as The Answer to everything, from bug tracking to project management to running their intranet (the latter of which is the only thing it could ever be any good at).
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