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    #21
    Quality of life

    Well France and Germany do have many problems that need fixing. In the case of Germany I'll wager they'll get round to it sooner rather later, by voting their version of the Conservatives in.
    I really don't think our model is the one to follow though:

    Long hours
    Poor productivity (according to most economists)
    Massive social exclusion (witness the growth of chavs)
    Huge crime and run down housing estates
    Destroyed manufacturing industry

    If I were the Europeans, I would be careful about making Maggie-style drastic reforms. They needed to be made, but could have been done better.

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      #22
      Re: Quality of life

      Massive social exclusion (witness the growth of chavs)
      Are Chavs the result of social exclusion? We've had chavs in this country for a long time. The only difference is that somehow they've now been given a title whereas before they were simply 'common'. I blame the rise of the chav on the introduction of comprehensive education and the 1960s (guilt ridden middle class intellectuals idolising the working class).

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        #23
        Re: Quality of life

        Are Chavs the result of social exclusion?
        We exclude them by putting them on welfare, giving them a tulipe education, tulipe healthcare and no hope.
        The socialists feel guilty so they "give" to the working class. The working classes do not need to be given anything other than a decent education, opportunity of work and freedom from the state.
        They are big enough and ugly enough to not have to rely on handouts.

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          #24
          Re: Quality of life

          WS

          Chav, to me, implies a certain way of behaving. What you are saying is that there was always a working class - however with the loss of manufacturing jobs that has changed into a benefit class. That's a profound difference.

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            #25
            Re: Quality of life

            We exclude them by putting them on welfare, giving them a tulipe education, tulipe healthcare and no hope.
            They have plenty of opportunit; for education, entertainment and personal development, but they choose to waste it.

            It's the kids growing up in the Urals I feel sorry for, as they have genuine talent but no opportunity at all (apart from stealing the lead from gravestones to sell to the local factories).

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              #26
              Re: Quality of life

              They have plenty of opportunit; for education, entertainment and personal development, but they choose to waste it.
              If someone paid you say £50,000 per annum no matter, would you bother to look for a job? would you bother to develop yourself? would you need to be pleasant to people?.
              say that £50k were still paid to you even if you were fined for bad behaviour/petty crime/flashing (or whatever you contractors like to get up to ), do you think you would bother to try to develop relationships or even get on with people?

              Now let us say that in addition you had access to a suite of public services (albeit very poor), would you care about anyone or yourself even?

              If at some stage you then decided to try and get a job. How hard would you try? How much enthusiasm would you show at the interview? And if you did get the job and it got a bit stressful, would you dig in and make the most of it, or would you flick two fingers at the boss and go home back to your £50k?

              Technically wageslave you are right. These people do have choices but they choose not to work.. because they do not have to. It is not their fault, it is the socialists who patronise these people.

              If you want to level the playing field with your man in the urals (or urinals) then take away the soft underbelly of welfare and give them a choice between working and starvation (at least here people have the work if they want it).

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                #27
                Re: Quality of life

                If someone paid you say £50,000 per annum no matter, would you bother to look for a job
                I think £50,000 is a little more than most people on the dole get - are you exaggerating again DA?

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                  #28
                  Re: Quality of life

                  I think £50,000 is a little more than most people on the dole get - are you exaggerating again DA?
                  I am making it relative to what people are comfortable with. Chavs aspirations can be met with less than £15k per annum hattra. I was indeed exaggerating to make a point

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                    #29
                    Re: Quality of life

                    Chavs aspirations can be met with less than £15k per annum
                    Personal experience, eh, Dodgy

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                      #30
                      Re: Quality of life

                      Personal experience, eh, Dodgy
                      My chavs are happy on £12k hattra

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