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George Osborne demands massive cuts to windfarm subsidies

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    George Osborne demands massive cuts to windfarm subsidies

    "Plans for dramatic cuts in government subsidies for onshore windfarms are being drawn up by the Treasury in a move that seriously undermines David Cameron's claim to be running "the greenest government ever".

    The Observer has learned that George Osborne is demanding cuts of 25% in subsidies, a reduction the industry says would "kill dead" the development of wind power sites. The Treasury's stance has put the chancellor at loggerheads with the Liberal Democrat energy secretary Ed Davey, whose party strongly supports more renewable energy.

    Osborne, whose reputation has taken a dive following his widely criticised budget and a subsequent string of U-turns, has been under heavy pressure from Tory MPs to reduce the billions spent on green commitments.

    In February more than 100 Conservative backbenchers wrote to the prime minister demanding cuts to the £400m a year public subsidies for windfarms which they see as evidence of too much Lib Dem influence over coalition policy. A prominent opponent of onshore wind power is the Duke of Edinburgh, who is said to have described turbines as useless and to believe they will never work.

    Tim Yeo, Tory chairman of the all-party energy and climate change select committee, said the Treasury and the Department of Energy and Climate Change (Decc), which is headed by Davey, were following different agendas. "This is an example of where Decc's attempts to stimulate renewable energy are being hampered by Treasury intervention," he said. "The way to deal with this – and realise the savings the Treasury wants to achieve – is to have more onshore renewable energy, which requires lower levels of subsidy, and less offshore, which requires more. We need to change the balance."

    Source: George Osborne demands massive cuts to windfarm subsidies | Politics | The Observer

    Just in case you have not realised yet Osborne is a total and utter

    He probably wishes he was PM, but he will never become one!

    #2
    Yawn
    What happens in General, stays in General.
    You know what they say about assumptions!

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      #3
      Originally posted by MarillionFan View Post
      Yawn
      Shut it permie.

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        #4
        Originally posted by AtW View Post
        Shut it permie.
        MF Smash!
        What happens in General, stays in General.
        You know what they say about assumptions!

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          #5
          Well, couldn't give a crap about the colour of the shirt the incumbent are wearing, or the 24/7 newspeak that is deigned to control us wailed from the highest BBC broadcast towers, the simple fact that windfarms (both onshore and offshore) are a fecking mismatch when one considers the way our energy supply and demand operate as a nation, as is the modus operandi by the entity known as The National Grid.

          Christ. I was about to do another classic hyperD diatribe on the folly of windfarms and variable grid demand but it's late, I'm overflowing Absinthe, and you lazy feckers have Google so fecking use it.

          One small rant-lite-bite to get the eco-cranial juices flowing:

          "When the wind blows, how many fossil fuelled power stations are you shutting down?

          None.

          Why?

          Cos it takes many hours to a day to start up a power station. Think kettle. In reality all peak (backup) fossil fuelled power stations are running on spinning standby to kick in when the wind suddenly drops.

          Also, for the sake of Grid stability, one does not simply dump wind power into the Grid and expect everything to be groovy - it's called grid spiking or Grid instability. No power stations will be taken offline. Yes eco-loons, no saving of CO2, whatever nonsense that might mean.

          Our power demands rise and fall, over night and day, adverts, waking up, hence the need for a base load and peak power load to supply all our energy requirements.

          One cannot predict the correct wind speed 8 hours in advance, unlike an operator of a gas powered CCGT plant who could guarantee a power supply at a particular time and be legally bound by it. And although you may state: it's always windy somewhere in the world, according to the equation Vd=KIL/CSA, there's no point channelling some electricity from Saudi solar all the way to the UK in some stupid fantasy SuperGrid - we don't even have the right computers to predict the weather, let alone micromanage the energy demands across several continents.

          It's all about the energy spot market.

          Keep the eco-loons out of energy density sanity.

          Drop all windmills, wisely and cheaply invest in 60% efficient CCGTs."
          Last edited by hyperD; 3 June 2012, 01:13.
          If you think my attitude stinks, you should smell my fingers.

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            #6
            HyperD is living proof that a brain full of absinthe fumes operates at a level 100 times higher than one full of lentils




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              #7
              If this is true then I congratulate Osborne. But I fail to see why he didn't think of it in the first place.

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                #8
                Originally posted by hyperD View Post
                Well, couldn't give a crap about the colour of the shirt the incumbent are wearing, or the 24/7 newspeak that is deigned to control us wailed from the highest BBC broadcast towers, the simple fact that windfarms (both onshore and offshore) are a fecking mismatch when one considers the way our energy supply and demand operate as a nation, as is the modus operandi by the entity known as The National Grid.
                Image Of The Day: Germany Sets Solar Power Record · OPB News

                "German solar power plants set a world record in late May, producing 22 gigawatts of electricity per hour, meeting nearly 50 percent of the nation’s midday needs, "

                Who would have thought that Germany would have such a success with solar power, they are not exactly Greece of Spain sunny days wise?

                If that works in Germany then surely wind farms could work in UK.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by AtW View Post
                  Image Of The Day: Germany Sets Solar Power Record · OPB News

                  "German solar power plants set a world record in late May, producing 22 gigawatts of electricity per hour, meeting nearly 50 percent of the nation’s midday needs, "

                  Who would have thought that Germany would have such a success with solar power, they are not exactly Greece of Spain sunny days wise?

                  If that works in Germany then surely wind farms could work in UK.
                  What a ludicrous statement. You don't seem to be aware of this, but wind power and solar power are two different things.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Doggy Styles View Post
                    What a ludicrous statement. You don't seem to be aware of this, but wind power and solar power are two different things.
                    My point is that there is plenty of wind in this country - certainly a better bet for power production than solar panels in Germans

                    Those who dare win.

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